Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I refer you to my post on the previous page in response to Zim

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Yeah just seen it ;)

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Originally Posted by Letters

http://weightology.net/weightologywe...8/strawman.jpg

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Follow the yellow brick road and speak to the guy at the end of it - he'll help you out ;)

Or in your case - the wengerbrick road.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

So when I say he is incompetent and an idiot (which does NOT mean unintelligent as I have pointed out), you call that an extreme position. You hold up perennial underachievement as a measure of competency. You equate the desire of the fans to compete with Wenger's mere presence. It is quite possible for somebody to be good at their job for part of their career and incompetent for another part, and this is the case with Wenger.

If he cannot use the resources he has properly, if he cannot correct repeating mistakes, if he can not mount a serious title challenge given all the advantages at his disposal, if he cannot operate with any sort of efficiency in the transfer market, if he cannot progress in the Champions League and routinely falters against inferior opponents...

Is he competent, or incompetent? By the definition of the word?

And if he keeps on repeating the same steps that lead to the same mistakes and refuses to change, and indeed gets defensive and hostile when challenged because he is determined not to even listen, let alone change...

Is he an idiot?

Doesn't the evidence point very strongly to the fact he is an incompetent idiot? I think it does.

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You don't finish top 4 every year with an incompetent idiot in charge IMO.
But as the term is purely subjective I don't think there's much point discussing it further.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

So when I say he is incompetent and an idiot (which does NOT mean unintelligent as I have pointed out), you call that an extreme position. You hold up perennial underachievement as a measure of competency. You equate the desire of the fans to compete with Wenger's mere presence. It is quite possible for somebody to be good at their job for part of their career and incompetent for another part, and this is the case with Wenger.

If he cannot use the resources he has properly, if he cannot correct repeating mistakes, if he can not mount a serious title challenge given all the advantages at his disposal, if he cannot operate with any sort of efficiency in the transfer market, if he cannot progress in the Champions League and routinely falters against inferior opponents...

Is he competent, or incompetent? By the definition of the word?

And if he keeps on repeating the same steps that lead to the same mistakes and refuses to change, and indeed gets defensive and hostile when challenged because he is determined not to even listen, let alone change...

Is he an idiot?

Doesn't the evidence point very strongly to the fact he is an incompetent idiot? I think it does.

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Originally Posted by Thierrymon

Have we signed Johnny Evans yet?

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Not yet unfortunately. Fingers crossed.

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Originally Posted by Letters

You don't finish top 4 every year with an incompetent idiot in charge IMO.
But as the term is purely subjective I don't think there's much point discussing it further.

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The only thing saving him now is his reputation. For example, if I was hired to manage Arsenal and I started fucking up (because I'd be incompetent at the job through lack of experience) it wouldn't take long for fans to start calling me incompetent. And if I spat back at them and said no, I'm right, the whole world is wrong - then they'd call me an idiot too. And nobody would see a problem with that because indeed, I'd be incompetent and behaving like an idiot.

However, take a man who has managed a club for 20 years and when he fucks up and behaves like an idiot people say no, it can't be true, a man of his experience can't be incompetent, he can't be an idiot. But they wouldn't be judging that on the evidence, they'd be reaching their conclusions based on reputation.

And the term isn't purely subjective. When somebody cannot perform a task through lack of knowledge or ability it is not subjective to call them incompetent. There's the task. The task remains undone. Because the person asked to complete the task is unable to do it. Because he is incompetent.

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Originally Posted by Letters

You don't finish top 4 every year with an incompetent idiot in charge IMO.
But as the term is purely subjective I don't think there's much point discussing it further.

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You can be successful and still be a real idiot. Take Trump for instance. The 2 things are not mutually exclusive. A smart man would have made far more of the inheritance given to him by his father. So coming 4th while having all the means to come 1st means diddly really.

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

You can be successful and still be a real idiot. Take Trump for instance. The 2 things are not mutually exclusive. A smart man would have made far more of the inheritance given to him by his father. So coming 4th while having all the means to come 1st means diddly really.

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Fair point about Trump :lol:
We haven't always had the means to come first though.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

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Wait...hang on, the other day you said you hate Wenger because in your view is he's colluding with the board to make money to the detriment of competing.
If you believe that (which I don't) then surely he's doing an excellent job? I don't see how you can think what you said the other day AND think he's incompetent...