Wenger on contract renewals

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15-12-2011, 04:18 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

no it isn't. if only life was so simple and black and white

It is simple, if you're not happy in a job you leave....noone would stop him.
15-12-2011, 04:18 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Just pay him the fucking money tbf.

We'll see soon enough if there is any difference between this Kroenke guy and the rat bastards he replaced.
15-12-2011, 04:41 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

It is simple, if you're not happy in a job you leave....noone would stop him.

Unless you've signed a contract for a certain number of years and feel obliged to honour it.
15-12-2011, 04:46 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

It is simple, if you're not happy in a job you leave....noone would stop him.

do you always? or do you balance out the things you like with the things you don't and then decide? 'disagreement on something doesn't mean you leave does it? you can't have much fabric as a man if so
15-12-2011, 04:49 PM
Coney

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I believe that if he was a "winner" he would have given the board an ultimatum, the fact he hasn't shows he's perfectly happy with things and with getting 4th place every year. Do you think the likes of Ferguson or Mourinho would settle for that?

No. And neither does Wenger. The idea that he is happy with that is ridiculous. It is important to be in the CL each year for the money the club gets and to keep players interested in joining the club. But how you plan a season from the start to be 4th beats me. And do you stop the team winning when you get to 4th? It's just nonsense.
15-12-2011, 04:59 PM
Letters

As Syn says you can see how much the end of last season hurt him. He wasn't happy with 4th place
15-12-2011, 05:12 PM
Fist of Lehmann

The case of Dennis Bergkamp springs to mind, 37 when he finally retired in 2006. He was the kind of vision and technique player less affected by age than the more physical types. But the key reason he stayed is because he was willing to accept 1 year contracts on declining pay.

Bergkamp was a one off though, both in his ability in advanced old age and in his willingness to to accept lesser contracts. He was extremely canny in investing his money so didn't feel any pressing need to maximise his earnings.

Wenger talks about needing to sell while the player still has some value in order to adequately replace. That suggests to me that we are an organisation that needs to maximise it's assets pretty aggressively. Older declining players on high wages and declining in value are a luxury we seem unwilling to afford.

It seems to me that Wenger's assessment of players is heavily informed by data. A player's workrate drops on 70 minutes, his speed starts going at 29. But we've seen this season how the benefits of older players isn't always measurable, because psychological influences are hard to quantify.

Players like Scholes and Giggs were critical to Mantoucher last season, but they have no sell-on value and their wages are/were high. You doubt they would have lasted much past 30 with us.

Having said all that, I'm not sure these comments have anything to do with RvP's contract situation. Selling RvP now would be more than 1 year too early, provided he can stay fit, it could be about 3 years too early.
15-12-2011, 05:16 PM
Syn

:rolleyes:

Spending money gets you good players. Wenger is not spending money - only a fraction of what he's making the club in terms of transfers and forget about Man City and Chelsea; way behind Liverpool, Tottenham...and probably way behind most clubs if you're looking at proportion of the transfer sales spent. Why is he doing that? Everyone knows you can buying a couple more good players gives you a better chance of doing well. Despite some people talking as if Wenger's an idiot, I'm sure he would know this as well. It's common sense. If he isn't spending money and we aren't achieving the targets of 'winning stuff' (as you claim the club's aims are) then surely the natural next step is to spend. He isn't - which suggests he's under little pressure to do so. Which means achieving a CL spot is considered 'fine' for the club. I know Wenger has a contract but he signed a contract only last year - he was in this game then so he knew exactly what to expect. He could've walked away - and he still can - by explaining he's not happy with the financial restrictions and I don't think there's a single Arsenal fan that would blame him for doing so.
15-12-2011, 05:19 PM
Syn

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

The case of Dennis Bergkamp springs to mind, 37 when he finally retired in 2006. He was the kind of vision and technique player less affected by age than the more physical types. But the key reason he stayed is because he was willing to accept 1 year contracts on declining pay.

Bergkamp was a one off though, both in his ability in advanced old age and in his willingness to to accept lesser contracts. He was extremely canny in investing his money so didn't feel any pressing need to maximise his earnings.

Wenger talks about needing to sell while the player still has some value in order to adequately replace. That suggests to me that we are an organisation that needs to maximise it's assets pretty aggressively. Older declining players on high wages and declining in value are a luxury we seem unwilling to afford.

It seems to me that Wenger's assessment of players is heavily informed by data. A player's workrate drops on 70 minutes, his speed starts going at 29. But we've seen this season how the benefits of older players isn't always measurable, because psychological influences are had to quantify.

Players like Scholes and Giggs were critical to Mantoucher last season, but they have no sell-on value and their wages are/were high. You doubt they would have lasted much past 30 with us.

Having said all that, I'm not sure these comments have anything to do with RvP's contract situation. Selling RvP now would be more than 1 year too early, provided he can stay fit, it could be about 3 years too early.

:gp:

But I think his comments have a lot to do with RVP's situation. He goes out of his way to single out 'striker' explicitly talks about 29/30 years old. I know it starts off about Henry and Vieira but IMO he's preparing us.
15-12-2011, 05:23 PM
Özim

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Originally Posted by Santos' Little Helper (TPUKA Letters)

Unless you've signed a contract for a certain number of years and feel obliged to honour it.

You forget he signed a new contract, noone made him do so and if he wasn't happy he could have set out certain conditions.

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