They also don't hoard the duds they sign as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
They also don't hoard the duds they sign as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
We have the fourth highest wage bill in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
We have never finished lower than fourth and will probably finish fourth again. Think most of you don't really understand what 'value for money' means.
If you include transfer fees in this argument, we come out a long way on top.
The fans may be getting ripped off (1300 for a season ticket to watch a club that hasn't won anything in eight years - lol) but the club's financial side is, as always, very well maintained relative to our performances on the pitch.
As for transfers, it's a lot more difficult to unearth 'gems' when you're playing around in the bargain bin of the market, but all clubs make mistakes. Chelsea have spent 100M this year to get knocked out of the CL in the group stages and are a mere two points ahead of us, Man Citeh have ended up with a far weaker team despite adding 4-5 players during the summer and we all know about Liverpool.
For the stupid then, can you expand on what value for money means in this case please?
I defy anyone to look at the players on our books, including the dross on loan, and tell me that represents value for money. We obtained outstanding vfm in the past. Those days are gone.
Even relative to others we obtain poor vfm from our wage bill.
We're not like City and Chelsea, we can't waste money without facing the consequences of our actions. Having a large stable of players who are either frozen out or on loan means we have money tied up which could be put to more effective use, that's the consequence we have to live with.
It's really hard to believe that our scouts can't find talent and value in the market these days. I was just watching Yaya Toure and thinking how we had the inside lane for this guy and didn't move for him. It's a shocker. In fact, I'm reading that he had a trail with us! No idea why we didn't work hard enough to get deal done for the kid. Or maybe we didn't want to kill Diaby?
We also could have signed him whilst at Olympiacos. We didn't. He moved to Monaco, Wenger's former club but we didn't move for him and he went to Barca for around £7m. Maybe Wenger thought he'd kill Diaby!
That's an example of one player. There are others we've missed that have the talent but wouldn't have cost a fortune as well. The Prem is littered with such players so I don't agree with this idea that we can't find hidden gems. Wenger and scouts just aren't moving for them.
He was refused a work permit.
Arshavin 80K per week surplus to requirements, Squillaci, Chamakh, Djourou & Bendtner all 50k per week surplus to requirements, that is not value for money, that's approx 300K per week wasted on players who don't play. What makes it even worse is that no other club wants to touch these players because of their ridiculous salaries, we can't even loan some of these duds out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Relatively speaking we are where we are due to the calibre of player we have and the wages we pay them, sure I agree with this. However...the point here is that we could and should have put our wages to better use.
Additionally, why do we have to unearth gems? We're told repeatedly the club is in great shape financially, we clearly have funds to spend so why don't we target the 15-20mill market more? I accept that we can't spend like Chelsea or City but I would rather we spent 20mill and 100k per week on a top quality player than buy 2 10mill 50k per week risk buys.
I personally feel there is one man stopping us from spending up to 20mill on a player and that is because of some "crazy" principle he has.
PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2010-11Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss
Chelsea - £191m (up from £174m in 2009-10)
Manchester City - £174m (£133m)
Manchester United - £153m (£132m)
Liverpool - £135m (£121m)
Arsenal - £124m (£111m)
looks like we are on course.
value for money right?
Didn't stop us from signing Vela, Ryo, Campbell and Wellington Silva who had similar work permit issues and we could have dipped back in for him whilst in Greece or France but we didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm