Diaby needs ANOTHER surgery

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Originally Posted by Steve French

It is over.

And sadly it has been since that talentless thug wrecked his career for nothing. In a game that was over. There was nothing whatsoever to have been gained from that tackle. Nothing.

I genuinely hope something genuinely nasty happens to Dan Smith. That complete waste of oxygen had no business sharing the same pitch as Diaby.

A genuinely talented player had his career robbed from him that night.

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I doubt its just dan smith, although it diodnt help. I think Diaby is basically made of glasss and was always going to be injury prone. Sad but thems the breaks.
Anyway he had the contract, and owes us nothing more than 100% comitment to get/stay available and to try to deliver when he is able/asked to.
As long as he hasnt slacked off thers not much more to be said other than 'bad luck.'

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Originally Posted by Penguin

I agree with you in principal but there's no such thing as loyalty in football now. Contracts mean fuck all to players and clubs alike. If Diaby suddenly had a good season and Barca came knocking he wouldn't think twice about packing his bags and going. And Wenger wouldn't stop him either, just look at Cesc, Song and Hleb. Wenger has always been lenient with his players and sometimes they do take advantage.

I'm not sure how we can justify paying £60k/week. We've sold other deadweight in the summer so I don't see the problem with cutting our losses on Diaby.

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I don’t think we agree in principal at all with those examples. That would be bloody scandalous. If you heard a company like British Gas or BP did that to one of their employees to save a bit of money, you’d be disgusted. Diaby came to this club as kid and he has a contract. The club couldn’t justify releasing him from his contract and I’d hope we’re not as cut throat as that. Fans shouldn’t support that sort of behaviour. It’s one thing to want to move an underperforming player on but this is different issue.

It's not quite the same as a 'normal' employee who would lose his house if he lost his job.
Footballers are set for life.
Not that I think we should fail to honour his contract, but the comparisons with a normal job only stretch so far.

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Originally Posted by Letters

It's not quite the same as a 'normal' employee who would lose his house if he lost his job.
Footballers are set for life.
Not that I think we should fail to honour his contract, but the comparisons with a normal job only stretch so far.

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That’s because you’re thinking of the how much Diaby makes instead of thinking about how much the club makes and comparing such actions to any other corporate organisation. The money he makes is a drop in the ocean compared to what this club generates. Principles should be the same across the board and not altered because of the pay scale. If this were another sport….F1 for example…would it have been right for a team to cut a drivers contract whilst recovering from a serious injury? Felipe Massa is an example. They earn way more than footballer’s and the risks are much higher but would it make it right?

Diaby has a contract with us. He has done nothing to dishonour it. We therefore have an obligation both legally and morally to honour the contract. The only thing people could rationally disagree with here, is whether we should have agreed the current deal with Diaby.

I don't have nor would I expect anyone to have any sympathy whatsoever with his financial plight - or lack thereof. But I have a hell of a lot of sympathy for a person who seemed to have the ability to achieve great things in the game, but was robbed of the opportunity to realise - or have a go at realising his potential as a player.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

I don’t think we agree in principal at all with those examples. That would be bloody scandalous. If you heard a company like British Gas or BP did that to one of their employees to save a bit of money, you’d be disgusted. Diaby came to this club as kid and he has a contract. The club couldn’t justify releasing him from his contract and I’d hope we’re not as cut throat as that. Fans shouldn’t support that sort of behaviour. It’s one thing to want to move an underperforming player on but this is different issue.

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If the British Gas employee got a job offer from EDF with a higher wage he would leave as soon as he got the chance. That's all that matters to 99% of employees. So why should British Gas persevere with the person who hasn't been able to do his job properly for the past 9 years? They've been patient with him for nearly a decade but the job doesn't do itself.

Look how lenient Wenger has been with players and look what has happened. Cesc, RVP, Adebayor, Flamini, Song, Toure, Clichy, Cole, Nasri, and Hleb have all jumped ship at their first opportunity despite all the time we spent (or wasted) turning them into finished products. Half of them even to our close league rivals. So much for player loyalty.

It is harsh on Diaby but like I said, there is no such thing as loyalty in football. Football IS a cutthroat business and it's time to cut our losses with him. He might actually be better off playing in a less physical league where he'd be less likely to pick up a knock.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

If the British Gas employee got a job offer from EDF with a higher wage he would leave as soon as he got the chance. That's all that matters to 99% of employees. So why should British Gas persevere with the person who hasn't been able to do his job properly for the past 9 years? They've been patient with him for nearly a decade but the job doesn't do itself.

Look how lenient Wenger has been with players and look what has happened. Cesc, RVP, Adebayor, Flamini, Song, Toure, Clichy, Cole, Nasri, and Hleb have all jumped ship at their first opportunity despite all the time we spent (or wasted) turning them into finished products. Half of them even to our close league rivals. So much for player loyalty.

It is harsh on Diaby but like I said, there is no such thing as loyalty in football. Football IS a cutthroat business and it's time to cut our losses with him. He might actually be better off playing in a less physical league where he'd be less likely to pick up a knock.

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You do realise that if we just terminated his contract, he would sue the Club?

And he would win. Whats more, he'd probably get more via damages than if we honoured the contract. Added to that, there would be such a breakdown in the Club's reputation, no player worth his salt would play for a Club that does not honour its contracts.

Basically you are advocating that the Club break the law.

I didn't said we should terminate his contract anywhere in this thread.

We should sell him when we get the chance though, even if we have to sell him on the cheap.

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Originally Posted by Penguin

If the British Gas employee got a job offer from EDF with a higher wage he would leave as soon as he got the chance. That's all that matters to 99% of employees. So why should British Gas persevere with the person who hasn't been able to do his job properly for the past 9 years? They've been patient with him for nearly a decade but the job doesn't do itself.

Look how lenient Wenger has been with players and look what has happened. Cesc, RVP, Adebayor, Flamini, Song, Toure, Clichy, Cole, Nasri, and Hleb have all jumped ship at their first opportunity despite all the time we spent (or wasted) turning them into finished products. Half of them even to our close league rivals. So much for player loyalty.

It is harsh on Diaby but like I said, there is no such thing as loyalty in football. Football IS a cutthroat business and it's time to cut our losses with him. He might actually be better off playing in a less physical league where he'd be less likely to pick up a knock.

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Forget loyalty in football, it's a problem with people in general when I hear this sort of talk. No morals. :lol:

This isn't a case of incompetence. If a British Gas worked badly injured his hand whilst fixing a boiler, there is no way the company could terminate his contract whilst he's getting treatment for his hand. As Steve French said, it's breaking the law. No player would want to play for a club that treats its players like that.

Being bitter over Cesc, RVP and whoever else is irrelevant. As for the cutthroat business argument, cutting our losses...you can't use that argument when it suits you. If the club decide to raise ticket prices again and go to corporate with the way we're run, you'd probably be arguing for a more compassionate club connected to the fans and with a love for the sport instead of corporate sponsors.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

You do realise that if we just terminated his contract, he would sue the Club?

And he would win. Whats more, he'd probably get more via damages than if we honoured the contract. Added to that, there would be such a breakdown in the Club's reputation, no player worth his salt would play for a Club that does not honour its contracts.

Basically you are advocating that the Club break the law.

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