Tony Pulis in ?

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Originally Posted by Letters

That's not what he gets credit for...

But at least he has won some major trophies in his time, quite a few. Pulis has done fine but he's achieved nothing of note in his career. He's done well at Palace but it's a bit of a leap to think he could manage a top level club.

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No he gets credit for getting 4th place a position noone cared about until money became the most important factor in football. The powers that be then decided that in order to make sure all big clubs were happy and not going to form their own league, they'd let 4 teams from one country into Europe's premier competition.

Yes he has but that was a long time ago now (almost a decade), Pulis has only had jobs at clubs who were realistically not going to fight for trophies, he's worked for clubs whose marker for success was promotion or staying in the PL and on that score he's delivered.

I'm not saying he should be our manager, but he gets the best out of the players at his disposal, something not many managers can do and also studies the opposition and sets up his teams tactics using this knowledge, two things we definitely need our next manager to be able to do as we lack these in abundance at the moment.

In a sense it's good to see Liverpool doing so well, it shows many of our fans what could be rather than accepting the clubs stance that we can't compete, Rodgers has done in 2 seasons what Wenger has been trying to do in the last 9.

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Originally Posted by Özim

No he gets credit for getting 4th place a position noone cared about until money became the most important factor in football

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As he should. And I think we both agree that football shouldn't be this way but it is what it is. And we both agree he should have delivered some trophies in that time, hopefully he will this year. In the thoroughly enjoyable 92/93 season we could flirt with relegation and concentrate on the cups, that is no longer acceptable.

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Pulis has only had jobs at clubs who were realistically not going to fight for trophies

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Yeah, there's probably a reason for that...

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Originally Posted by Letters

As he should. And I think we both agree that football shouldn't be this way but it is what it is. And we both agree he should have delivered some trophies in that time, hopefully he will this year. In the thoroughly enjoyable 92/93 season we could flirt with relegation and concentrate on the cups, that is no longer acceptable.


Yeah, there's probably a reason for that...

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Pulis is excellent at doing what he does and acheiving mid table stability at clubs that would struggle against relegation, but that's not a transferable skill into top club management. It's not like Martinez who is a manager learning his trade so its hard to see that he would get any better. That said if Wenger goes this season and whilst he's not out of the woods, 4th place and much coveted silverware is not the distant prospect it was a week ago.....I wouldn't want Martinez taking over. I think he has potential but I'd like to see how he does with Everton for the next few seasons before considering him.
It could be quite beneficial for Wenger to stay until 2016 and ear mark Martinez as a potential replacement then.

I'd prefer Simeone, his team seem to have a hunger and resilience about them I'd like to see us have, they also play decent football. I also don't want to wait another 2 years, 9 years of this is plenty enough for me, don't want to go through another 2 seasons of this, it's just not enjoyable.

I don't really understand why fans want to endure another 2 years of the same old same old, nothing is ever going to change. As for Martinez, his sides seem to be prone to the odd thrashing, I'm not convinced with him, he's not bad but not right for us IMO.

Don't want Pulis near my club but for those dismissing him because we have Le Prof in charge just look at how he set his team up last night to stop Everton playing. Very different to the pathetic showing we put on at Goodison a few weeks ago. Guess what - it meant attacking them, something that Le Prof seems to have forgotten about. If you don't want Baines & Coleman running you ragged down the sides put pace down both flanks - it stops the team in its tracks because as Martinez showed last night Wenger style, he doesn't have much of a plan B.

Pulis?! :haha:

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The problem I see with guys like Pulis is they never seem to be able to adapt once other clubs start getting wise to them? They're great at causing shocks, and unruffling a few feathers while everyone is writing their sides off, but that's all they seem to have - once opponents start treating them with more respect, the results tail off, and they don't seem to have any other ideas to keep it going? I will say this for him though - his sides at least make you work for it, even when you start to work out how to get 3 points off them on a regular basis...

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Originally Posted by Özim

I'd prefer Simeone, his team seem to have a hunger and resilience about them I'd like to see us have, they also play decent football. I also don't want to wait another 2 years, 9 years of this is plenty enough for me, don't want to go through another 2 seasons of this, it's just not enjoyable.

I don't really understand why fans want to endure another 2 years of the same old same old, nothing is ever going to change. As for Martinez, his sides seem to be prone to the odd thrashing, I'm not convinced with him, he's not bad but not right for us IMO.

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Apart from against Liverpool...I don't think they have been thrashed by anyone. The 4-1 against us they were in the game right till the last ten minutes.
There is also the 3-1 against city don't regard that as a thrashing considering the bumming some sides have taken there.
But like I say I think, it's going to be hard to determine how good he is until he's been there another year or so.
Diego Simeone, I tend to think him coming to us would at best be a sideways move....plus I'm pretty sure he can't speak English, unlike Pochettino who can but chooses not to.

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Originally Posted by Özim

No he gets credit for getting 4th place a position noone cared about until money became the most important factor in football. The powers
In a sense it's good to see Liverpool doing so well, it shows many of our fans what could be rather than accepting the clubs stance that we can't compete, Rodgers has done in 2 seasons what Wenger has been trying to do in the last 9.

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Roger's hasn't won the league....yet. I agree though, the 'we can't compete' stance is wearing thin. This is the football climate we are presented with and there are grotesque billionaire behemoths all around us. Let's at least make a fist of it. Our financial clout not existing is becoming increasingly untrue as our resources and reserves swell.

Ironically.....and this does not excuse him, Wenger will (probably) be the only manager left who's team have not been out of the top 4.

Manchester United are heading waaay out of it, Liverprool have spent age's out of it, Everton have seldom been in it nor Spuds and City and Chelsea have been out of it or not in it a long time....

Not convinced of Simeone and I think he may well be one of those divisive managers behind the scenes. It's all going well so there isn't exactly signs of a fracas per se, but it is going well so what is there to groan about. There are very few teams in La Liga capable of metering out a battering to his team too unlike in this league where Palace can beat Everton, though Atletico are obviously better than Everton.

I actually don't think another a year or two will tell us as much as it should about Martinez. Everton are far from flush and I think there is a limited amount he will be able to do there hence why a few of his best players are loan signings.

No guy is ever going to appear a perfect fit to take over the club...there will always be something to question but I do think we have to think in terms of not just who is the right man, but who has the ability to become the right man for the club.