Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

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Originally Posted by LDG

Well said.

Whilst most of us agree that his time is at an end, it still disgusts me the vitriol, shit and internet spew being showered on him.

How can you call yourself a fan of a club, when your first priority is to slag off anything and everything about us?

Yes Wenger needs to go. Yes, he is guilty of stagnating. But he has also, lets not forget, kept us from slipping into a different part of the table, using the very strengths we praised him for in his early tenure.

Time for a fresh face to build on the solid foundations. But I can't tell you how nausiating it is to be associated with the filth who sit behind their keyboards throwing turds, with such little knowledge of football to back it up. Opinion is one thing. Being able to articulate it is another. And if you have nothing positive to say, just fuck off will ya.

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Slagging Wenger has become a hobby, I'm waiting to see how creative the "yes, but..." crew can be if we win the cup.

There are some people on here who I genuinely believe hope we lose the final so they can say "See? See?" and high five themselves.


Twats.

Liverpool played there 40th game this weekend. We played it in February. Think about that for a minute.

And yes, the op is right. His biggest failing is his inability to build a balanced squad. Despite its "tactical failings" (completely over blown) - when the man has had the right squad to choose from there are few better. Unfortunately, he can't be trusted to judge what that is any more.

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Originally Posted by Özim

The injuries have been a problem, but there's been lots of other problems as well, in the transfer market, regarding tactics, substitutions, blind faith in too many players.

It's also taken him 9 years to look into the injuries, I find this mystifying, we've known about the injuries for years.

IMO he's not a manager for the modern game as he doesn't move with the times and adapt, his attitude towards 4th spot is over the top as well, his reaction is one of having won something major/or being on the verge of winning something major, it shouldn't be.....after 9 years he should be disappointed with 4th again if he gets it.

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:gp: ground hog day

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Originally Posted by Letters

Well, you can and you do. Fine, you don't rate him. You think he should be replaced. A fairly reasonable opinion and one which is shared by an increasing number of Gooners. But the way you act is disgraceful, you post like a bitter ex, picking on everything he says or does. And you fawn over opposition managers and ignore the way they act (did you see Mourinho's interview on Saturday, it was embarrassing, had Wenger said anything like that you'd have been all over it).

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I don't like the way he does thing that's a fact, he BS so much and as far as I can see doesn't give a toss about the fans all he seems to care about is his players and making a profit and I'm frankly sick of it and him, these people that bow to the very mention of his name like he's some sort of god are entitled to I just don't agree. He's had a great job earning a f*ck load of money, people treat him like he's been working for a pittance and out of the goodness of his heart and that we should owe him our lives or something. I respect the fact he built a great team for half his career with us and that was a great feat as a manager, but I don't see have the view that I should praise him left right and centre like he's some sort of messiah because IMO he's failed the fans in recent years, I'm sorry if you don't like it but that's the way it is.

You guys need to listen to yourselves, you think you're better than me because you do this or do that and it's IMO disgraceful the way you treat people who don't tow the line, people are entitled to their opinions without the need to be labelled idiots, I'd say more likely it's the people who choose to throw these random insults at people that are narrow minded and lack any sort of perspective.

As for other managers, for a start Wenger is more relevant to me, he affects how my team does so I will be more critical if I'm not happy, the managers I have praise for are those that deliver and win or at least doe everything then can to achieve this, something I'm sorry to say Mr Wenger doesn't and I don't want a manager like him around...as I've said before he's content with 4th place and won't ever do what we need to get better and that's not a great manager to me.

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Originally Posted by Letters

You keep referring to the 'Suarez excuse'. I have no idea what you mean by that. All people have said is that he is the difference between them being champions elect and a top 4 side. No-one has said he is the only reason they're where they are, there are other factors which have been mentioned.
The season you're talking about we were an awful side. RvP did make a difference, on that occasion he was the difference between us finishing top 4 and being in mid-table. He's not as good as Suarez but even Suarez wouldn't have made that side champions. Of course you need other good players around. IMO this Arsenal side + Suarez would have won the title this year, or gone very close. The main thing we've lacked is a top class striker. Our defence an midfield have been fine. As well as Rodgers has done this year, they need to sustain that level and there are various reasons why I don't believe they will. Time will tell whether I'm right.

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Why mention it then, he's part of the team and he is there and there's no reason to think he'll leave now, they don't want to sell, he's going to be a title winner and he's signed a new contract. I think it's an excuse because you're trying to belittle their achievement, Sturridge has scored 23 odd goals as well and was scoring when Suarez wasn't, then there's Sterling who have been a revelation and Gerrard who has used his experience to run the show from midfield.

Your claim is like people saying yeah we won the title but we had Henry and without him we wouldn't have, that's obvious but it's kinda irrelevant, he's part of their team. Regardless of what happen now, Rodgers has won the title, I'm sure he'll continue to try and improve but the fact remains he's delivered a major trophy in two seasons in a day when you complain about the Billionaire clubs every other day.

Our style of football is no longer beautiful to the eye, we are a poor-man's version of Barcelona. The last Arsenal squad that was truly impressive was the 07/08 team that just lost the plot due to a horrific injury to Eduardo, in terms of balance that squad was the best since the invincibles era( maybe up to 04/05/06 ) At the moment this team hasn't competed against the top teams not even close, and until Wenger finds a more pro-active approach on how to play our main rivals he will never be seen as the manager to take this club forward regardless of the FA cup result.

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Originally Posted by Letters

In what way has Wenger got worse at his job? Others have arguably got better.
How many years have people been saying we'd drop out of the top 4?

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Do you really need someone to answer that? Have you compared his record in the 1st half of his career and 2nd part, have you seen the players he signed then compared to now, have you seen the way they played football compared to now?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Slagging Wenger has become a hobby, I'm waiting to see how creative the "yes, but..." crew can be if we win the cup.

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A cup he's lacked respect for and from what we've seen in the last 10 years not really cared about, likewise a lot of the fans.

I think the FA Cup is great incidentally, but I find it ironic that some people are suddenly rating it as a great achievement when all they've done is slag it off for years and belittled the achievement when the likes of Portsmouth etc won it.

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

And yes, the op is right. His biggest failing is his inability to build a balanced squad. Despite its "tactical failings" (completely over blown) - when the man has had the right squad to choose from there are few better. Unfortunately, he can't be trusted to judge what that is any more.

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This is what I don't understand about him. Our squad is saturated with the same type of footballer and it's needed to be leveled out for some time now. He seems to have ignored signing the type of players that made him so successful in the first place.

Why has this thread gone on attack other posters for their views? This has been done to death and it’s the same culprits that keep dragging it up. (LDG, Letters and NQ).

Whenever someone talks about the frustrating issues we see each season, you guys take issue with the poster or the harsh words for Wenger instead of the real crux of the issue. Threads get bogged down in this back and forth abuse, i.e calling fans ‘filth’, ‘twats’ sarcy comments as usual and it’s ironic that these same posters are calling for the abuse of Wenger to stop. Nobody on this thread has gone as far as that when talking about Wenger.

Back to IBK’s original post, the question is, has Wenger been left behind tactically or is it more of a case of injuries and training. Personally, I feel it’s both and we’ve seen the same issues over the past 9 years so I doubt things will change. He won’t buy to bolster the numbers and even when we’ve seen the effects fatigue can have on the squad, he won’t rotate and sub players when exhausted. It’s a catch 22 and we’re stuck in limbo with him.