One Arsene Wenger...

Letters doesn't like facts that contradict his entrained line of thinking. You can only beat the moneyed clubs with money....but when some club like Athletico do it or Pool almost do it. he says its a 1 off. We Arsenal, haven't had a 1 off season since 2004 when we were the 2nd highest spenders in the PL (3rd really, but Abramovich was just getting warmed up back then). fact is you can challenge and consistently if you just get smarter. Instead Wenger just sulks and starts throwing tantrums. Imagine claiming that Chelsea spent more money than us so that why they beat us 2-0. we were not even remotely in that game. Chelsea's last Cl match was against a team whose yearly budget I am sure is less than Wengers salary. we had just spent almost 80m on 2 players in that same team and he claims we were broke. Thats why we lost.

Yes there is only 1 Arsene Wenger, I bloody hope so, cos I would not wish his 2006-2014 version on any football team.

Looks like we are 4th in this table as well :lol:

Wenger, cant even win the shitty league table :pal:

Oh, while we crib about how shitty and Chelsea are winning the league with their millions. Take a look at Manchester Utd on the table..

Money counts big time - not just in purchasing players.

No money = no Mourinho or Pellegrini at their respective Clubs.

We'd probably still be looking at the last 10 years with Man Utd and Arsenal 1 and 2 - in that order with maybe a blip or two.

That said, the money we are spending on a Manager, should be spent on one far superior to Wenger.

He was the right guy at the right time when he arrived at the Club. He was the right guy to bring us through the transition period.

He is the wrong guy now. The game has passed him by and the longer he stays or the Club persist with him, the more toxic he becomes at the Club.

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Money counts big time - not just in purchasing players.

No money = no Mourinho or Pellegrini at their respective Clubs.

We'd probably still be looking at the last 10 years with Man Utd and Arsenal 1 and 2 - in that order with maybe a blip or two.

That said, the money we are spending on a Manager, should be spent on one far superior to Wenger.

He was the right guy at the right time when he arrived at the Club. He was the right guy to bring us through the transition period.

He is the wrong guy now. The game has passed him by and the longer he stays or the Club persist with him, the more toxic he becomes at the Club.

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True, it's a shame it will be pitch forks when he leaves. Could have left a legend, and all could have ended on happier terms.

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Originally Posted by Maestro

True, it's a shame it will be pitch forks when he leaves. Could have left a legend, and all could have ended on happier terms.

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As frustrating as things are right now I still think in time his legacy will be appreciated.
As well as all the trophies the transition to the new stadium and keeping us relatively competitive through that leaves us in great shape for his successor.

I think the narrative on his departure won't be a pleasant one, however once the dust has settled he will (rightly) be remembered for everything good he's done for us.

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Originally Posted by Letters

As frustrating as things are right now I still think in time his legacy will be appreciated.
As well as all the trophies the transition to the new stadium and keeping us relatively competitive through that leaves us in great shape for his successor.

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people remember the trophies and going unbeaten but no one will remember being fourth a lot

he will ultimately go the way of brian clough, remembered for a great beginning and a not great (though hopefully not that rubbish!) end

IMO he's tainted his career with the way he's been in the 2nd half of his career with us, it's become hard to remember the great teams we had, they're all a distant memory now and what springs to mind is the boring tap tap football that never goes anywhere, the years of frustration in the transfer market and unwillingness to admit glaringly obvious problems in the team and of course poor tactics.

People are right, he hides behind excuses now, happy to pick up his 8 million and never really feeling like we should be challenging seriously for the big trophies.

His legacy has been tainted, I'd agree, but is it that hard to remember the great teams? You don't have any problem remembering the 'wonderful' 92/93 team who, frankly, were awful to watch. That season had a happy finish (which could easily have gone the other way) but 80% of it was horrible, we finished about 7 points above relegation, scored something like 40 goals in 42 games. It was boring boring Arsenal and their boring boringest.

The teams in the first half of Wenger's reign were far, far better and I feel priviledged to have had a season ticket during that period. Clough took Forest down in the end and I believe he's still regarded highly by Forest fans. All Wenger's done is taken us from first to fourth and he's vilified. He certainly deserves some stick and I think we all agree it's time for him to move on now but the legacy of the trophies, great football and steering us through the stadium move should not be forgotten or ignored.

You remember the good of 92/93 and conveniently forget how awful most of the season was, it would be weird to ignore all the good Wenger's done. 5 FA Cups, 3 titles, two of those doubles, an unbeaten season, amazing football, keeping our heads above water financially during a massively complicated stadium move. It's a shame he didn't go on a high last season but in the fulness of time I think his legacy will be appreciated. It bloody well should be.