The outcome of this season determines whether he should be sacked.
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The outcome of this season determines whether he should be sacked.
Same as ten seasons passed. If he doesn't challenge this year..., If he doesn't challenge this year..., If he doesn't challenge this year. Judge him at the end of the season, Judge him at the end of the season, judge him at the end of the season...Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Why not call him a manager good enough to win the minor stuff, nowhere near good enough to win the big stuff (see last 10 years), but given him a bit of leeway and say if he changes the broken record and makes a proper effort before the window closes then let's give him another chance? That's fair isn't it?
And if he sticks two fingers up at everyone again then get rid of him rather than watch him bumbling his way to another big points deficit on the final day of the season?
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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The problem is not about winning.. it is about not doing our best. We always are 2% away from domination and thats because of the manager. We know whats going to happen this season.. we'll watch it, fight over it and debate it anyway. But hey, spurs hasnt finished above us in ages, so we have the best manager in the world!
Of course :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That's how any manager should be judged in any season.
After 8 years of no trophies Wenger's clearly not getting sacked now having won 2 in 2 years. The goalposts have changed - we have the money now to compete for the big prizes so Wenger should be judged differently from the early days of the stadium move. But, of course, you have to judge him at the end of the season.
Why are you saying stupid things like that? Who has said we have the best manager in the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
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I am saying this because the wenger lovers always look at other clubs misfortunes and point towards how we are lucky to be where we are. They never like to look at successes of the big clubs and say "we could be as good as them".
And the spurs thing is brandished fairly often by these same people.. "Spurs would bite your hand if you gave them 4th place at the beginning of the season", "Spurs have never finished above us". As for calling him the best manager in the world, I am sure you know the meaning of the word sarcasm..
Money isn't enough to win the league. It never has been. Wenger is lacking in the other important areas because winning the league is not just sporadic one-off games like a cup but momentum and sustaining a level of form across most of the season. He can't do that anymore. See our last game. Not just 'one of those days' because we keep having them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Ok. It that doesn't change what I'm saying. Any manager should be judged at the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
I'm not sure why he deserves that continued patience. Two cups hasn't changed perceptions because it affected nothing in the league last year and his team have absolutely flatlined on the first day. It destroys all hope for those who had prayed for something new to emerge. That last result shows the same failings will keep popping up throughout a season. It isn't just one game when taken in the wider context of the past decade. All the money in the world won't alter that. People are exasperated with good reason, they can see beyond 'judge at the end of the season' because whilst they can't literally look into the future, it is all about feeling. And that feeling right now is one of utter deflation, defeated by such a poor approach to the season. Not willing to wait yet another 9 months watching the same cycle to experience the exact same result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Well, it doesn't really matter whether he deserves it. He's not been sacked (I don't think he should have been having just won back to back FA Cups) and unless this season is a complete calamity he's unlikely to be during the season. So like it or not he is our manager for the season so the only sensible time to judge how the season has gone, and thus him, is at the end.