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18-12-2015, 01:14 PM
Globalgunner

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Originally Posted by Alpha

A fan must be motivated by Irrational enthusiasm . A fan must not change his mind or his philosophy about their team . When you are a fan you support your team no matter what . Winning or losing , you are behind your team . A fan is a short cut of " fanatic" .If you ask anyone what is fanatic you will get a strait answer .

Letters

Really guys, just give it up the man is besotted. He would happily see the last 10 years repeat itself with a grand hail of 2 FA cups and Wenger with his walking stick poking an equally enfeebled Steve Bould to flap his arms up and down at Sir Jack wilshere our captain who has just surrendered possession for the 50th time.

BTW a fan job is not to be a fool or idiot. You should complain vehemently when you are obviously being taken for a ride.
18-12-2015, 01:16 PM
Dein-machine

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Originally Posted by Letters To Santa

Did they say when? Maybe they meant longer term. Or maybe they did think it would immediately push us on and didn't account for or foresee the way the billionaires coming in would inflate the transfer market and salaries.
Our ability to spend probably did go up after the stadium move but we still couldn't compete with what Chelsea and City were doing. Without those two I reckon we'd have won a title or two in the last 10 years.

Long term the stadium move was obviously a good and necessary thing to do. Maybe the board didn't foresee how it would affect us in an exponentially increasing transfer market, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do or a big con trick.

We tied ourselves into long term financial deals - it's easy to look back with 20:20 hindsight and see that as a mistake as subsequent deals at other clubs dwarfed it, but it was a way of mitigating the risk that comes with a long term loan. Now the new financial deals are in place we have started spending folding money and it's had an immediate impact in terms of trophies. Whether we'll push on and compete with teams like Bayern...well, City and Chelsea have struggled to despite the money they've been throwing around so it's easier said than done, but the stadium move gives us a much better chance than had we stayed at Highbury, why do you think so many other clubs have also either moved stadium or are looking to?

we cant use the Chelsea & City money as a reason we haven't done what was promised. To be Europe's elite ( as per the stadium promise ) we would have had to take on Barca & Madrid who have always have an endless pot of money. We were doing it at Highbury, he had a system in place that worked but he failed to maintain that system when he decided that players like Fabregas could replace Viera or Adebayor could replace Henry. We had the money to buy Ya-Ya as Viera replacement. We had the money to buy a young Suarez or a Lewandowski as an Henry replacement but we chose the cheaper routes & our football philosophy changed. He thought he could could imitate Barca but with far inferior players. A poor mans Barca was good enough to get us top 4 but that was it.
In my opinion - taking money from people offering a service or product that you have no intention of supplying is a con.
We wont know if the stadium move will ever be that good for us because we cannot reach our full potential under Wenger. If he stays for another 5 years & we go back to winning nothing & he continues to not strengthen in obvious areas of need - we may start to miss out on top 4, slide down the league & not fill the stadium. This could happen - we have been OK in recent times mainly due to poor competition for 4th place but other teams are investing far better in their squads - teams like Leicester, Palace & even Stoke could start to knock on top 6 positions along with the Spuds & Liverpool. All the teams I have just mentioned are far closer to us footballing wise than they were in 2006 - the stadium move has done nothing for our success as a football team so far - you say we have money to spend but so do & so will quite a few other teams in the coming years & they have managers that know how to spend it.
18-12-2015, 01:30 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Globalgunner

Letters

Really guys, just give it up the man is besotted. He would happily see the last 10 years repeat itself with a grand hail of 2 FA cups and Wenger with his walking stick poking an equally enfeebled Steve Bould to flap his arms up and down at Sir Jack wilshere our captain who has just surrendered possession for the 50th time.

Yep. If you ignore all the times I've said Wenger should be sacked if we don't challenge for the title this season, that's exactly my position.
The money is there to compete now so I expect us to.
18-12-2015, 01:47 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Alpha

A fan must be motivated by Irrational enthusiasm . A fan must not change his mind or his philosophy about their team . When you are a fan you support your team no matter what . Winning or losing , you are behind your team . A fan is a short cut of " fanatic" .If you ask anyone what is fanatic you will get a strait answer .

And yet the arguments used to sustain Wenger's credibility are based on anything but irrationality and passion. They are cold, methodical, dispassionate, they are balance sheets and cash projections and the triumph of corporate growth over sporting endeavour. It sounds to me like true fans are schizophrenic.
18-12-2015, 01:48 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Letters To Santa

Yep. If you ignore all the times I've said Wenger should be sacked if we don't challenge for the title this season, that's exactly my position.
The money is there to compete now so I expect us to.

What do you mean by "this season?" THIS season - or next season? And won't next season be this season once it arrives?
18-12-2015, 01:51 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

we cant use the Chelsea & City money as a reason we haven't done what was promised. To be Europe's elite ( as per the stadium promise ) we would have had to take on Barca & Madrid who have always have an endless pot of money. We were doing it at Highbury, he had a system in place that worked but he failed to maintain that system when he decided that players like Fabregas could replace Viera or Adebayor could replace Henry. We had the money to buy Ya-Ya as Viera replacement. We had the money to buy a young Suarez or a Lewandowski as an Henry replacement but we chose the cheaper routes & our football philosophy changed. He thought he could could imitate Barca but with far inferior players. A poor mans Barca was good enough to get us top 4 but that was it.
In my opinion - taking money from people offering a service or product that you have no intention of supplying is a con.

Football is not like going to a nice restaurant, a lot of people on here treat it that way.
You go for a nice meal you expect good food, but then you don't have a load of other people trying to make sure they spoil it for you.
Wenger has made mistakes over the last 10 years but he's got more right than wrong.

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We wont know if the stadium move will ever be that good for us because we cannot reach our full potential under Wenger.

It's obviously been a good thing for us. We're in an era where money and success are highly correlated, there's no sign of that changing and being at the Emirates generates significantly more money than Highbury ever could. How, long term, could it possibly be anything but a good thing for us?!
And even if you think Wenger is stopping us realising our potential (I personally think that remains to be seen, it's only the last 2 years we've had the money to properly compete and it's already yielded 2 trophies) he won't always be our manager. Long term it was clearly the right thing to do

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If he stays for another 5 years & we go back to winning nothing & he continues to not strengthen in obvious areas of need - we may start to miss out on top 4, slide down the league & not fill the stadium.

:lol: People have been saying that for years...

As I keep saying, we need to challenge for the title this year. So far, we are. So long as that continues I'll support him.
18-12-2015, 01:52 PM
Kano

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Originally Posted by Arsene Wenger

And yet the arguments used to sustain Wenger's credibility are based on anything but irrationality and passion. They are cold, methodical, dispassionate, they are balance sheets and cash projections and the triumph of corporate growth over sporting endeavour. It sounds to me like true fans are schizophrenic.

Who the fuck just said that?
18-12-2015, 01:52 PM
Letters

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Originally Posted by Arsene Wenger

What do you mean by "this season?"

I don't really think that needs explanation.
18-12-2015, 01:53 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Did you stop watching in 2013?

Nope. But then again, I don't for a second imagine the top clubs in the PL view the FA Cup as any measure of success. In gypoland, chavland and mancland they all know what they want when the season kicks off. Us, on the other hand, you said it yourself - top 4 finish. "Completely unrealistic" for us to expect anything else, despite the fact we've topped the league but failed to drive it home, despite the fact we've come up against teams like Monaco in the CL but couldn't bring that brand status we crow about to bear. We have over-achieved on the balance sheet, under-achieved on the pitch. Who would dare to say this isn't the case?
18-12-2015, 01:56 PM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Letters To Santa

I don't really think that needs explanation.

And won't next season be this season once it arrives?

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