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11-01-2018, 10:34 AM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Daily Fail: "Arsene Wenger was a grumpy and animated character in the Chelsea press box: 'Every time Alvaro Morata goes down it's a f****** free-kick'"

Maybe so. But for once he's right. In fact Wenger is also right about the poxy refs, so he's been right twice in a week. Progress?

Absolutely true. Every time that cunt Azzaaaahhhhh, and also Morata, went down the ref went straight to the whistle. Azzzaaaahhhh is a notorious cheat. He cheated us last week and he cheated all the way through this game. Will VAR be used to identify and punish the cheats? Somehow I doubt it.

Have to say love it when Wenger uses expletives, makes him more human

https://youtu.be/Auet8ya4aQc
11-01-2018, 10:34 AM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

If people are offering Giroud as a solution than I’d say no that’s just daft

But I think people are more comparing a player that cost 13 million and one that cost 50 million and saying that in the same amount of games Giroud could have scored as many if not more goals in the same period, to illustrate that even with the drawbacks of playing under a manager who has no clue what he’s doing...that Lacazette is underperforming.

13 million when Bif joined is the same as 50 mill today. In this market and factoring in the crazy inflation, they pretty much cost the same. Bif was never good enough to lead the line at Arsenal. He's not a bad player, he's just not the level we needed to make some sort of impact. Lacazette looked like he might be good enough but all Wenger has done is bring the guy in and then force him into a Bif role. Pointless, stupid and a waste. I reckon he'll be looking to leave next season, if Wenger is still lingering.
11-01-2018, 10:49 AM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

If people are offering Giroud as a solution than I’d say no that’s just daft

But I think people are more comparing a player that cost 13 million and one that cost 50 million and saying that in the same amount of games Giroud could have scored as many if not more goals in the same period, to illustrate that even with the drawbacks of playing under a manager who has no clue what he’s doing...that Lacazette is underperforming.

It's worth re-reading how we got on to this topic in the first place.
11-01-2018, 10:54 AM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

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Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur

It's worth re-reading how we got on to this topic in the first place.

Yes someone voiced the opinion that Giroud would have scored more goals in the same amount of games Lacazette has played for us.
11-01-2018, 11:38 AM
Özim

Lacazette is way better then Giroud, Giroud just scores very good goals.

Problem is the system and secondly his confidence is low thanks to Wenger subbing him all the time, we're not really playing to his strengths, he's basically a finisher so if he gets the service he'll score goals, playing two up top would also help but Wenger has been against that ever since the guy discovered the 5 across midfield formation which is a total nonsense IMO, never liked that formation at all.
11-01-2018, 11:49 AM
Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

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Originally Posted by Özim

Lacazette is way better then Giroud, Giroud just scores very good goals.

Problem is the system and secondly his confidence is low thanks to Wenger subbing him all the time, we're not really playing to his strengths, he's basically a finisher so if he gets the service he'll score goals, playing two up top would also help but Wenger has been against that ever since the guy discovered the 5 across midfield formation which is a total nonsense IMO, never liked that formation at all.

Lacazette is better than Giroud and the system we are playing isn’t helping him, but I think he’s also underperforming. If you consider he scored 8 goals in 15 league games and then none in 7....it suggests that his problems aren’t all due to lack of system, but lack of form and confidence. Now of course Wenger should take responsibility for that, but so must the player
11-01-2018, 12:11 PM
Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

36 games in, No one is in double figures. By this time last season both Giroud and Sanchez were in double figures.

Lacazette unquestionably looks a better footballer, but brass tacks he has not scored in 7 league games. The kind of form Giroud would be crucified for.

And value matters, for all the abuse we give Giroud the guy has been an absolute bargain for what we paid for him. No he clearly isn’t good enough to be the leading striker for a club at the level Arsenal claims to be, but supposedly Lacazette is and clearly isn’t delivering.

Perhaps, but he was given more leeway in his first season. Your last paragraph is correct though, the system does not suit him, the team around him is dysfunctional and in a continuous state of flux, he never plays the 90 and he is suffering a lack of form.

I hate the notion of players 'trying too hard' but his scuffed chance really screamed of that yesterday. He was trying some Henry style 'is that enough' smash into the top corner whilst trying to smash the ball into orbit at the same time because he is anxious and frustrated and wanting to prove himself. If he were more relaxed he would have definitely shaped for it better. In that sense playing football is a little like singing....when you are tense and anxious it is very hard to sing through it initially and for people not to notice it as it manifests itself physically.

I'm expecting this year to be better as Wenger is more inclined to leave him on for 90 minutes (having proven his durability to an extent) which should in turn ease a little confidence in his favour and which should in turn help him relax.
11-01-2018, 01:29 PM
Cripps

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Originally Posted by Özim

Lacazette is way better then Giroud, Giroud just scores very good goals.

Problem is the system and secondly his confidence is low thanks to Wenger subbing him all the time, we're not really playing to his strengths, he's basically a finisher so if he gets the service he'll score goals, playing two up top would also help but Wenger has been against that ever since the guy discovered the 5 across midfield formation which is a total nonsense IMO, never liked that formation at all.

Exactly

Wenger knew exactly what type of striker he was. He should have bought him willing to change the system and accommodate him. If he wasnt going to do that why spunk £50m on him? Was there any planning to this signing? I think we all know the answer.
11-01-2018, 02:05 PM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Dumbledore

Exactly

Wenger knew exactly what type of striker he was. He should have bought him willing to change the system and accommodate him. If he wasnt going to do that why spunk £50m on him? Was there any planning to this signing? I think we all know the answer.

Of course it makes perfect sense to identify the striker we need based on the 4-2-3-1 system we've been playing for years and then change it to 3-4-3 once we've bought that striker.

The stupidity of our manager knows no bounds.
11-01-2018, 02:40 PM
Niall_Quinn

Wenker today:

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'The team selection had nothing to do with the transfer market,' Wenger said. 'Why did I start him on the bench? Why not?

'I do not have to justify every decision I make, you know. I have played over 1,000 games and over 1,000 teams.

'I want him to stay this month. I want him to stay for longer because he's a very important player for us.

'When he came on tonight, you could see that he created danger straight away. We have to accept as well when you play so many games and Sanchez plays every game that sometimes a breather in the middle of the season helps a little bit.'

So is Ozil on a winter break too? Is that why he has little bit thigh and slight knee? You lying bastard.

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