Our unbelievably shit squad team players

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

doesn't distract from poor pl opposition

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You're missing the point. If the manager of Celtic won the Champions League twice, despite how poor his league is, I'd say he's a top manager because he's won a competition where Europes elite clubs compete. He's not just a bug fish in a small pond.

Also, the Prem is much better than what it was 10 years ago but Fergie is still winning even though there are now 3 or 4 teams capable of winning the league.

As for the Guardiola point...what point are you making exactly?

It just points to another elite coach. Wenger isn't one of them.

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Originally Posted by The Realist

Repeat after me:

The team is young, they have great mental strength and will come out even stronger after this. (Wenger, May 2009
The team is young, they have great mental strength and will come out even stronger after this. (Wenger, May 2010)
The team is young, they have great mental strength and will come out even stronger after this. (Wenger, May 2011)
The team is young, they have great mental strength and will come out even stronger after this. (Wenger, May 2012)

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Plus ca change

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

We'll finish top 4.

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:woohoo: Top 4!

Just what I always dreamed about! Another successful season in the bag!

Go Wenger!

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

And this is why you can't give Wenger much credit for keeping us in the top four. It's not because of his talent, it's down to weak competition.

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So why has no other manager, fergie aside, consistently delivered top 4 for their team if it's so easy?

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Originally Posted by ElusiveGooner

:woohoo: Top 4!

Just what I always dreamed about! Another successful season in the bag!

Go Wenger!

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I didn't make any comment on whether that was a good outcome or not, just that IMO we'll stay top 4.

Vinger has some serious work to do this week.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

I find it hard to imagine how anyone can predict we'll be top 4 when an injury to RvP leaves us with Vela and Chamakh up front.

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Like last season? Except we now have Gervinho. And we have pretty much the same defence as last season, Clichy is gone (although he's been so widely slated on here I can't see why anyone would think that would leave us much weaker back there) and Vermealan is now fit.
I don't think we're stronger than last year but I don't think we're weaker. And I don't think Spurs or Liverpool (the only two credible teams who could finish top 4 if we don't) are stronger. Ergo we'll probably finish top 4 again.

The weekend showed we haven't learnt a thing. But I don't see any NEW problems, just the same ones, and as depressing as that is we finished top 4 with those problems last year so I can't see any reason we won't think year.

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Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)

Like last season? Except we now have Gervinho. And we have pretty much the same defence as last season, Clichy is gone (although he's been so widely slated on here I can't see why anyone would think that would leave us much weaker back there) and Vermealan is now fit.
I don't think we're stronger than last year but I don't think we're weaker. And I don't think Spurs or Liverpool (the only two credible teams who could finish top 4 if we don't) are stronger. Ergo we'll probably finish top 4 again.

The weekend showed we haven't learnt a thing. But I don't see any NEW problems, just the same ones, and as depressing as that is we finished top 4 with those problems last year so I can't see any reason we won't think year.

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The only problem I see with your logic, is that we started last season with confidence, whereas this year we have absolutely none.

Cesc is going, Nasri won't be focused, and we already have injuries to key players.

RVP is carrying the team from what I can see at the moment. And it was proved in the last three months, that despite his best efforts, the rest of the team just gave up. That isn't the attitude we're looking for, and certainly isn't the attitude we started last term with.

Last season Utd and Chelsea were better than us (just). City weren't IMO but we handed 3rd to them on a plate.
We were better than everyone else then and IMO we're no weaker now than we were. We're no stronger either but I don't think anyone else who could challenge us is either.
I take the point about confidence but I think when push comes to shove we're still good enough to finish top 4. We'll see.