Should Wenger go?

I wish the French **** would die in a car crash.

If AW had bought Parker and Klose last summer instead of Arteta and Park (?) we would have saved money and had a better team.
Mertesacker was a good buy and missed him so much on Weds

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Originally Posted by Letters

I understand and share the frustration but expressing it by insulting Wenger, calling him a French **** etc, it just detracts from the debate about what's going on at the club.

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It's also an 8 match ban if you do that outside GW. :good:

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Originally Posted by Daniele

If AW had bought Parker and Klose last summer instead of Arteta and Park (?) we would have saved money and had a better team.
Mertesacker was a good buy and missed him so much on Weds

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Just Klose instead of Park - and actually playing him - would have meant we would be challenging for the PL title this year. Which, again, just makes it so fucking frustrating.

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

Just Klose instead of Park - and actually playing him - would have meant we would be challenging for the PL title this year. Which, again, just makes it so fucking frustrating.

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Well, we can't properly ennumerate Park's contribution to us until we figure out how much goodwill in Asia we've accrued by...royally fucking up his career.

...bugger.

http://arseblog.com/2012/02/voyage-v...rt-desireless/

Bloody brilliant piece this....

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Makes no diffrence if he has a say in his successor or not tbh, Managers like Him and SAF will always get to recommend who they think is good for the job, does not mean the guy has to be a Wenger clone at all.

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A lot of things make no difference according to you

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Originally Posted by Letters

I don't think anyone has said that, what people have said is that fan protests aren't that effective. If the board only care about getting our money, and it seems they do, then paying money to go and protest is about as effective as the people who bought records in the wake of the John Lennon "bigger than Jesus" kerfuffle to burn them in protest...and then went out and bought replacements. They've still got our money, why would they care about a few banners?
Big, co-ordinated, sustained protest may have more effect but, in practise, that isn't going to happen.


What is childish is insults/abuse aimed at Wenger. It makes the people doing it look like toddlers throwing their toys out of the pram and detracts from their opinions which may well be sensible ones but expressed in such a childish way don't encourage engaging with.

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Well protests arent effective.. as we have seen from what happened to Utd fans protesting or Leeds fans protesting. What it does at least is bring attention to the growing discontent among fans. Even the 'silly bin liner' protest got a good deal of media attention. Like a wise man said, the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. At least give it a freaking try. Take a group of friends, like minded people and there will be plenty among Arsenal fans who takes a banner or just stands outside the stadium before a game with a banner asking "We pay the highest tickets in world football yet our standards keep falling.. we need answers!"

You might be a bunch 10-15 ppl doing it but do it! Give it a start! May be you will fail but harping on a message board is not going to help. Thats why I say that majority of arsenal fans are just not passionate enough. May be the ones whose voice will make a difference come from middle to upper class background and for them, protesting is not a cool thing to do or it doesnt matter. God, I wish I lived in London...

I'll support them evermore.

We should at least make our voices heard. Sustained protests by the fans will look embarrassing to the board, and for a "business" (which is all we are to them) it cannot be good for brand image. At least it could kickstart a wider debate about the direction that the club is heading towards. At the moment it seems this discussion is confined to the message-boards. Let's bring it to the front pages and bring some publicity to the problems that are affecting the club. The board may not care as long as we're paying for tickets, but it will at least make them worried that the fans won't simply be content paying sky-rocketing ticket prices, and that demand may drop alarmingly if we carry on the way we're going. Attendances have already dropped (despite the PA announcing 60,000 at games when it's obvious it's nowhere near a sellout)

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Originally Posted by Letters

I understand and share the frustration but expressing it by insulting Wenger, calling him a French **** etc, it just detracts from the debate about what's going on at the club.

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I dont understand this elitist way of looking at things. This is a fans message board and fans are supposed to be passionate. When we lose, I want to see Adzzz style anger... if someone thinks he is a ****, call him a ****! AW treats the fans like they are dumbasses, plays players out of position, doesnt do the basics right and a fan is not supposed to get passionate and call him a **** or whatever he is.. IMO, he deserves all the vile and shit he is getting!

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Originally Posted by Ach

A lot of things make no difference according to you

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Not really, But i don't see how Wenger saying, for example " I think Jose M would be a good choice to replace me" Is tat going to turn jose into a mini wenger.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

I dont understand this elitist way of looking at things. This is a fans message board and fans are supposed to be passionate. When we lose, I want to see Adzzz style anger... if someone thinks he is a ****, call him a ****! AW treats the fans like they are dumbasses, plays players out of position, doesnt do the basics right and a fan is not supposed to get passionate and call him a **** or whatever he is.. IMO, he deserves all the vile and shit he is getting!

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It hurts Wengers feelings tbh

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Originally Posted by Ach

It hurts Wengers feelings tbh

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Highly doubt he gives a monkeys tbh

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

I dont understand this elitist way of looking at things. This is a fans message board and fans are supposed to be passionate. When we lose, I want to see Adzzz style anger... if someone thinks he is a ****, call him a ****! AW treats the fans like they are dumbasses, plays players out of position, doesnt do the basics right and a fan is not supposed to get passionate and call him a **** or whatever he is.. IMO, he deserves all the vile and shit he is getting!

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I guess since you in the USA you aren't so familiar with the concept of civilisation.

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

I dont understand this elitist way of looking at things. This is a fans message board and fans are supposed to be passionate. When we lose, I want to see Adzzz style anger... if someone thinks he is a ****, call him a ****! AW treats the fans like they are dumbasses, plays players out of position, doesnt do the basics right and a fan is not supposed to get passionate and call him a **** or whatever he is.. IMO, he deserves all the vile and shit he is getting!

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So should people say i hope the **** dies a horrible death, how far does it go. How many of the people who say these things would say it to his face if they had the chance?

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

So should people say i hope the **** dies a horrible death, how far does it go. How many of the people who say these things would say it to his face if they had the chance?

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Wishing death upon someone or physical or mental harm upon someone is terrible IMO. IF someone says it in the heat of the moment, then so be it! Unless that person is personally plotting to kill AW or harm him in some way, it should be looked at a fan being pissed!

I wish people would stop quoting fy.

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Originally Posted by MaxPeck

I guess since you in the USA you aren't so familiar with the concept of civilisation.

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Yup, we are not all keyboard warriors here! And also the reason, so many yanks are coming over to england and raping the clubs dry with not even an 'ouch' coming out of the mouth. I'd rather remain uncivilized but powerful!

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

Wishing death upon someone or physical or mental harm upon someone is terrible IMO. IF someone says it in the heat of the moment, then so be it! Unless that person is personally plotting to kill AW or harm him in some way, it should be looked at a fan being pissed!

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I have no problem with people calling him the C word in frustation etc, or if after a loss and he comes out with his shite even more then fine go for it, but i don't think he needs to be abused for the sake off it.

:crying: Please!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

I have no problem with people calling him the C word in frustation etc, or if after a loss and he comes out with his shite even more then fine go for it, but i don't think he needs to be abused for the sake off it.

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Nobody is abusing him 'for the sake of it'. He is reaping what he has been sowing for the last 3-4 years! Fans have that anger and frustration towards him and they are showing it.

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Originally Posted by GB.

:crying: Please!!!!!

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:pal:

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

I a vile shit!

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:gp:

On another important note, there are 10 absolutely clueless dumbasses who want AW to stay! :lol:

Thats close to 30% of the people who voted! When God was distributing brains, these guys were clearly absent!

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Originally Posted by GB.

:crying: Please!!!!!

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Sorry - you're right. :good:

Yeah can't understand how people still think Wenger should stay, but that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. Of course, it is exactly these same people who abused the fans who wanted Wenger out at the start of the season, and tried their best to suppress dissent on this message-board.

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Originally Posted by Joker

Yeah can't understand how people still think Wenger should stay, but that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. Of course, it is exactly these same people who abused the fans who wanted Wenger out at the start of the season, and tried their best to suppress dissent on this message-board.

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:haha:

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

On another important note, there are 10 absolutely clueless dumbasses who want AW to stay! :lol:

Thats close to 30% of the people who voted! When God was distributing brains, these guys were clearly absent!

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It's a complete joke to be honest, think he'd had to go on some sort of fan killing spree before they changed their mind.

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Originally Posted by Joker

Yeah can't understand how people still think Wenger should stay, but that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. Of course, it is exactly these same people who abused the fans who wanted Wenger out at the start of the season, and tried their best to suppress dissent on this message-board.

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Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a dumbass. Perhaps people wouldn't think that of you if you could express yourself without sounding like a spoilt toddler every once in a while.

Back on topic, I was going to post when it was something like 13-1 in this poll that it always seems that those who want him to go get their votes in quick when the question is posed only for the gap to narrow considerably the following day.

Almost always happens.

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Originally Posted by GB.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a dumbass. Perhaps people wouldn't think that of you if you could express yourself without sounding like a spoilt toddler every once in a while.

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Stick a Fork in Fakeyank...He's Done!!!

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

It's a complete joke to be honest, think he'd had to go on some sort of fan killing spree before they changed their mind.

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Why is it a joke its peoples Opinons, so because you want him out everyone else has to. Your entilted to want wenger out just as they are entileed to want him to stay.

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Originally Posted by GB.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a dumbass. Perhaps people wouldn't think that of you if you could express yourself without sounding like a spoilt toddler every once in a while.

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Its the same way Arsene Wenger OUT brigade is treated. You think its disrespectful to call him a ****, thats your opinion, I think he is! I really do believe anyone who thinks AW should stay is deluded.. Myself along with others have pointed out hundreds of reasons why he should leave. I just hope he has the integrity to resign and leave some sort of a positive legacy.

I want Wenger out and don't feel treated like that.

If you get treated like that it is because your posts make you sound like an emotionally immature toddler.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Im saying the board pay him, we don't so its more of a case of not biting the hand that feeds him. Thats just IMO,

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Reading this thread from the start as I think every Gooner should and felt now the first time to replt (sure there will be a few more)

Hurts me to finally admit that Wenger us reaching the end of the road for us, agree with GB that he has been great for us but time is fast running out, I believe we might see that change next season, cant see it happening mid. . .as the a la carte list of replacements are not available unless you want Mick McCarthy?

I also afree with Letters and he has been saying this for a long time, those calling the guy a c u n# are out of order, the guy has done wonders for the club, his biggest mistake is misreading the signs and seemingly do nothing to stop the rot, whether this was because he was damcing to anoyher persons tun, which I believe is partly true makes it slightly sadder because there has been an increasing need for the club to show its balls both on and off the pitch.

I dont believe money matters to AW, I would hazard a guess he loves the club(a la Henry) and do the job for free

I couldnt vote, head says yes heart says no. . .would be sad to see him go but cant see blue skies for the club if he stays. . .said before though it wont be all topless cheerleaders and lines of coke for the fans at halfrime come any change in manager

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Id expect us to loose to Accrington Stanley if we played them in the week, so not loosing to these teams would not be a suprise.

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Will win today and against Spuds. . .dont care if anyone thinks I'm WUMing cos I'm not. . .only thing is that I imagine we will have to put up with 'amazing spirit shown by team' BS spin from Wumger

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

While it be nice to win a trophy every season its not realisic to happen, as a club we have never really done back to back titles, cups unless is was the fa cup. So i don't expect us to change that now. Just as 10 -13 years ago we never signed big players, When you could buy a world class player for 15-20 Mill tops, so i don't expect us to sign them now when they are going for silly money.

With the budget Wenger has had i think he has done a marvellous job, But he does need to take the blame for some of the players he has signed. Do i think he should go because of not spending and not winning trophy's in 7 years? No

I think he should go because i don't belive he can take us any further anymore. Even if he went out and spent money on world class players,i still think he needs a change from Arsenal.

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Good Post Charlie! Especially the middle part. . .I come from a generation a la Coney, Letters, et all that never Arsenal cime close to the league after a run of three FAC finals, Alan Sunderlands afro :bow:

We are sailing too close to the rocks and a new captain is needed, allow a new manager access to the war chest. . .or do something similar to our purchase of Bergkamp should smacked of Wenger playing an early hand rather than Rioch pulling out a ace!

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Originally Posted by LDG

I keep banging on about the basics, but that's what it comes down to.

I know money talks, and 'Arry loves a deal, he does; but he still does the basics. He adds quality, and experience to teams....and in January, despite having a half decent strikeforce, bough Saha at a snip. They were playing well anyway, but what Wenger failed to do when we were going for the league last year, and in previous years, was to add to the squad to ENSURE we did as well as we could.

You're right though. Given the resources at both clubs, we should not be behind by such a margin.

Player for player, we're not that far off them, mind. But we have a piss poor mentality, so again, 'Arry wins, because he get's da lads upfer it. They're cracking lads vey are.

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Arry's pick up of Saha and our DVD rental period of Henry shows how the psyche of the two mangers differ. . .Arry has proven over the course of the season that he will accept nothing that could damage the club or at least without a fight a la Modric and his subsequent remaining at the club

Wenger let ours go, which I agreed with cos I thought they would be replaced with likewise quality and with enough time to settle in
The get of Henry gave his three goals (2 match winners :bow:) and a tearful farewell. . , it showed not no ounce of ambition because his departure leaves in the same hole with no back up to RvP. . .the only way I could forgive this kind of mismanagement is if we bought big in the summer but that was how I was feeling at the end of last summer when I thought about this January.

Wenger keeps breaking our hearts and it has to stop especially when Arry keeps showing us up. . .Im not saying Saha was our answer but Parker could have been and a similar arry lije reinforcement of the team could have been too!