Overall, I am very disappoint.
We worked extremely hard to build ourselves a small cushion, and then piss that cushion up the wall.
Fuxaches.
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Overall, I am very disappoint.
We worked extremely hard to build ourselves a small cushion, and then piss that cushion up the wall.
Fuxaches.
Always thought we'd drop points in this game.
At least City will have to come at us next week which should hopefully help us.
Why the fuck is Wenger playing Ramsey again? We were way better when he was out injured.
Joker mate. . .you are either the biggest WUM or the most unforgiving fan in the world. . .we could take every frame from every match and analyse it so that we can create a list of culprits to blame but we dont brcause we accept mistakes happen. . .there are a few who make more than others and desreve to suffer our ire but give the guy a bteak, we lost, Im not happy but Im going to move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Btw drop the pto Wenger brigade line, it anit as big as you think. . !
To be fair, this links into a wider argument about his role on the field and what he brings to the squad. When people complain about his lack of goals and creativity, people have said he wasn’t bought to replace Cesc and that he’s a defensive midfielder. Well, I don’t think he’s a natural defensive midfielder and will get caught napping more than someone that is used to playing that role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
He's not a defensive midfielder though. I don't think we have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
They all tend to muck in and do the work.
He's a link player, but also does his fair share of graft. It's more of a unit than it was with Cesc playing. Everyone knew he would be the furthest foward, so you had Wilshire dropping in with Song. Now Cesc is gone, they all take it in turns, though I think Arteta is the one who keeps the ball moving through midfield. He just does the simple stuff, and in the most part, it's really helped us this year.
The problem (from that frame alone) was that niether of them were back.
AW keeps going on about the collective responsibility that we need in oder to defend, and that is what was lacking on Saturday. They all switch about, and if one goes forward, the other drops back in. We were caught too high up the pitch in the example shown, and paif for it, as nobody was tracking the runner.
You're wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Now don't challenge my opinion, pro-Wenger brigadier. :angry:.
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Originally Posted by Master Splinter
:bow: MS/Joker/P'n'G/Josh/Fakeyank
It appears that way. But I don't think Arteta is the one that keeps the ball moving. He doesn't make himself available for the pass that often and probably makes the least amount of runs forward out of the trio in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
http://www.eplindex.com/12157/mikel-...playmaker.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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People see what they want to see :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
That being kind to Joker tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
You’re a funny guy.
I have no problem debating an issue with any poster on here. But on this occasion with Letter’s he came straight in to wum about people’s reaction on the GW and he’s been doing it for years. He acts as if it’s a one off result and starts attacking posters who are pissed off at losing. I still remember debates we’ve gotten into about certain results and Wenger’s team selection . He usually dismisses it as a one off result and as if people are overacting or ‘kneejerk’ as he puts.
But in most cases, as seen over the past few seasons, the one bad result often spirals out of control and we start dropping silly points. When that does happen and people talk about wanting a change, we get this ‘one more season’ talk and the cycle continues. Now we’re at it again. There really isn’t any point in dragging on the debate if we’re just going to keep going in circles and especially when it involves attacking other posters. Unfortunately, the guys a mod so I can’t put him on ignore.
You guys need to cut the clique rubbish out. It’s annoying, childish and gets in the way of a good debate.
Yes you do, you always seem to think your right and when you proved wrong like a kid you threathen people with the ignore button. like people give a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
It's funny that article mentions Denilson. He made a load of accurate passes for us and was pretty high up on such a list. Not saying Arteta is Denilson, but I think Song and Rosicky are more important to the way the ball flows in the middle. They're more mobile and usually play the smarter passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
modric does exactly the same job. in fact, he scores less and probably about the same with assists.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
yet, he is a media darling worth £30 mill apparently.
Ah but the difference is, that Arteta does the graft as well....although, given that he fucked up on Saturday, it's a bit difficult to defend his corner! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
However, they are right. He is what we hoped Denilson would be.
I agree Song and Rosicky are more incisive, but I guess what I'm getting at, is that they need to be given the ball.
We're probably not going to agree, but I see Arteta as the one who seems to mop up the ball, and distribute it simply, to Song, out wide to fullbacks or the wingers. They're not hollywood balls, but to play the passing game we play, you need someone doing that job.
Denilson was ousted because he was lazy, and I think Arteta is anything but. He's exactly what Wenger means by efficiency. And he's steadied the ship for me this season....
Tbh, PnG n LDG are the best posters on here.. so they can ignore whoever they like!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Did i say they could not ignore who ever? Its up to them end of the day people can debate with who they want to. My point was you don't have to behave like a kid when you don't get your own way.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Not sure why you bought LDG into this as i never mentiond him.
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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Vermaelen is a more efficient attacking threat than Modric.
Yeah, Denilson was really lazy on defence and the sort of mistake Arteta made over the weekend would happen constantly with Denilson. But if Wenger does decide to buy another CM/DCM, he’s the one that’s going to lose his place.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I’ve always been impressed with the way Song played that role before he started pushing forward. Smart distribution and solid at the back. I guess I’m comparing him to the way Song used to play and think we’ve struggled in the middle this season. It’s only recently just started to come together with the inclusion of Rosicky.
I agree to an extent. But you do need a few options, so I'm guessing if we do opt for a new player + Wilshere, then all of them would play less games. Especially if we're in four competitions....injuries etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I'm wondering whether he was more of a replacement for Wilshere then anything....maybe that's why we bought him, in the knowledge that Jack would be unavailable for some time.
In any case, I don't think he's a bad player at all, and it's been nice to have someone dependable in there this year....
True, he hasn’t been bad on defence, puts a shift in but I’m disappointed with his attack if I’m honest. Well, it’s not just him, it’s the way we attack from the middle in general. Song has a load of assists, but we really need someone playing at the top of the diamond in the final third linking up play between the front three. Rosicky has done a great job at it and I love the way he’s able to turn on the ball so quickly and then ping off a pass. But I doubt he has the legs to play this role for us every game because of his age and past injuries. Plus, I think someone playing that role should be getting more goals and assists. I think the Ox would be great there and can’t wait to see him play in the middle with Wilshere and Song. But all three will have to work their socks off like Barca to press the ball when not in possession. The whole team in fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Nah just saying LDG is a good poster as well.. not bringing him into anything. This is not a brawl :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
So does your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Not your face then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
BAM!
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Disgusting the way my face is treated around here.
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
I wasn't wumming. I thought the reaction to a loss after 7 straight wins way over the top from some people. I'm perfectly entitled to say so and I wasn't the only one to say it. We're not going to win every single game, it's ridiculous to think we are and all teams get bad results sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
Well, maybe. And if so then I'll be on here moaning too. The last few weeks have given me some hope that we're heading in the right direction as a team. If we collapse again then I'll be depressed about that because it will show it's been another false dawn but not after 1 result.Quote:
But in most cases, as seen over the past few seasons, the one bad result often spirals out of control and we start dropping silly points
I can't believe you accused others of being childish when you in effect said to me "I'm ignoring you from now on, nur nur, nur nur nur." like some stroppy teenage girl. :rolleyes:
Mate, check your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
That's lazy, mate. That's when I thought we might as well drop it and there is no need to discuss anything with you if that's your attitude. So you can stop with the rolling eyes and snide digs. It's a wind up and I have no problem telling you where you can go with that sort of that sort of BS.Quote:
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If you're going to just declare yourself right then we have nothing to talk about
Well no, it's lazy to just say the other person is wrong. That isn't debate.
I'm not saying I never post windups but I haven't in this thread, I've just said what I think.
If we signed this M'Vila guy (who is supposedly skilled enough to play a defensive role and contribute going forward) I doubt anyone would quibble with Arteta dropping out. But, end of the day, 99% of teams would miss Wilshere.
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Originally Posted by Letters
That's my quote and it's about your attitude. You often come in a say people's reactions are 'knee jerk' and I remember similar situations where this type of loss knocks our confidence and we end up going on a bad run. I remember having a similar debate with you where you shrugged off a similar result but when we all looked back over the course of the season, it was that particular result that sent our season into a downward spiral. I think it was a few seasons ago where we beat Chelsea and then dropped points against Wigan because Wenger made 9 changes to the first team or something like that.Quote:
7 wins in a row doesn't fix what people have seen over the last 6/7 years and the worrying trend we often see. You've been wrong for a long time about the squad and you always come up with this sort of reaction. It's pretty typical and there is probably no point in calling you out on it anymore because you're not getting it.
That's why I'm saying you've been wrong on many occasions about the consequences of results and you shouldn't be so quick to poke fun at people's reactions. We're not the sort of team that bounces back from defeat so easily, it's been proven over the past few years but you act as if certain posters have no legitimate reason to react in such a way. I would have thought after all these years of watching us play, you'd have started to see other posters point of view.
What was your reaction when Gallas had his sulk on the pitch when we drew to Birmingham? Did you brush it off like you're doing now and poke fun at posters who were pissed off? Say it was 'knee jerk' along with the usual 'doom and gloom' merchant comments? I can't remember that far back, just guessing, but if you reacted in the same way you are now, wouldn't that make your initial reaction and judgement wrong? You do it a lot after match threads. Nothing wrong with being optimistic but you take it to the point where you start to ridicule other posters when you're in no position to.
PnG :bow: :bow:
Dominating these hoes.
Some of the reactions to a defeat after 7 straight wins are kneejerk IMO and way over the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I agree it might be the start of a bad run but we'll see and if so then I'll join in with the sulkathon on here as loud as anyone but we're just not going to win every single game. We slipped up. All teams slip up. Some of the comments on this thread are huge over-reactions. If the result had come as part of a generally bad run then fair enough but after the run we'd had they were ridiculous, IMO.
I just don't understand why people's reactions and opinions on here have to be so extreme. Yes, football is an emotional game but some sense of perspective is needed.
It's only one or two posters and it's not that extreme considering the season/seasons we've had. Plus, is it really neccessary to try and wind them up and get other posters in on the act as well?
I wasn't trying to wind anyone up. I thought the reactions were over the top and I said so :shrug:
I've enjoyed this season. Not all of it, there have been some rubbish times but some very good ones too. It's the bad times which make you appreciate the good. The recent run has given me hope for the future and one slip up isn't going to dampen that. Another slump and I'll probably be a bit depressed by it all again. At times this year I've wondered why I waste my time and money going to games, at other times I've remembered exactly why I go to games - The AC Milan game, the Newcastle one. There are a few signs that the players care more and the club is heading in the right direction. We'll see.
That is exactly the point LETTERS, You say youve enjoyed this season. Thats your perogative. Some would say that it is just a continuum of the mediocrity which represents our self imposed glass ceiling now. No one except you calls other peoples reactions "kneejerk" and throwing toys out of the pram. It is uneccessary baiting and reduces the level of discussion to name calling. We are a club that no longer wins things and seem not to care either. Some people simply wish it wasnt so.
cool lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
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Originally Posted by Globalgunner