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that is shocking. is that the best you can do? :haha:
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that is shocking. is that the best you can do? :haha:
well im looking for your justification of you claim wenger made diving acceptbale here. you say you have justified countless times in this thread yet since your claim and my quoting of it, you have made two posts both of which i have quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
are you going to justify your claim or just laugh at me for calling you up on something you have no defence too?
how would you like it justified?
he made diving acceptable.
what else is there to say?
wenger today:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...an-divers.html
'foreign players have caused the problem'
wenger was notorious for bringing in foreign players. he today said foreign players dive and caused the problem. so there's my justification.
i actually am lost for words here. i cannot believe you have just used that as your justification. do you realise how fucking stupid you sound?Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
wenger signed foreginers yes, but before he came here, there were foreigners right? so its not his fault at all. if he signed the first foreginer then yes you have a point but he didnt so you are an idiot
So Wenger said to our foreign player to go and dive did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
And the irony is that you link to an article where wenger is calling on the FA to punish divers with 3 match bans :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
To be fair by saying he made diving acceptable you are insinuating that he is happy with the practiceQuote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
But the quote that foreign players caused the problem indicates otherwise as he quite clearly identifies diving with the word problem.
That does not either really support an argument that by crowding the squad with foreign players Wenger was in fact creating a grand masterplan to win domestic and European glory through the art of diving.
But not matter if you feel you're justified or not, it obviously didnt work as
1) we havent won anything for 7 odd years
2) Wenger couldnt find another ten players quite as skilled in the art as Eboue
No doubt you will tell me I havent read your post correctly, tell you what do yourself a favour and save your breath
who cares if he made diving acceptable. someone had to.
just brings this isolated little island back in line with the rest of europe and makes it one less thing for everyone to laugh at.
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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
no i never said that, excellent fabrication of words once again.
i completely comprehend the fact that there were foreign players in this league prior to wengers arrival and players were diving, but its more the fact that when our players were diving he turned a blind eye to it, which i guess other managers still do, but it was never much of an issue until monsieur arrived. it seemed to increase tend fold afterwards.
He actually said..Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Which is not unreasonable. It was more common outside the English league before the 90s - not to say that English lads did not dive - they did, but it was more common in, for instance, Italy.Quote:
'It’s right that diving has come from foreign players but the English players learned quickly,'
Refs are partly to blame because they have allowed a situation where a forward can deliberately trail a leg or go close to the defender so that they can 'win a penalty'. The very idea of ' winning a penalty' is already wrong - that implies it is OK to do that. (This is not the same as running into the box and taking on a defender so that he is likely to have to foul to stop you - that is legit.)
aye, which is one reason why modern football has gone downhill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coney
you have people like andy gray analysing every small detail of a tackle and incident, trying to be clever about it. all it does is add further red tape to an already controversial sport. football is easy but the constant analysation has made it shite and complex. even an offside decision takes up 4 hours of debating.
i remember when andy gray was at sky sports and a controversial penalty decision was given. at half time he'd slow down and say 'ahhh but look theres contact, so he can go down'.
what utter rubbish?! just because there's 'contact' a player can go down? no. there has to be meaningful contact. otherwise this sport will turn into a noncontact sport in 15 years time, which it already is tbf.
Ist time ever i think ill agree with you. The game is deffo not what it use to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
They tell us Barca vs Real are the too best teams in the world and the games between them will be alwsome.
All we see is one team diving cheating going around kicking people and the other is Barca.
Its embarssing thatthe biggest game around the world ends being an embaressment to the game and the people at the top let it happen.
As for the dving here, managers do need to take control and fine players for doing etc. Refs are poor enough without having to have more help from these cheats.
And the worse thing about the english players who dive like yound their alwful at it.
Neville spoke about this yesterday and made a good point about. In order to get the decision, sometimes, you have to dive and we've seen it before. Players get their shirts dragged and it's not enough for them to tumble over in most cases, but if they don't go over the ref will play on. He went through a serious of clips and made a good point about it. It's not a black and white issue and to be honest, there are more important things in football to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Refs ignore loads of shirt-pulling and arms round players when free kicks and corners are taken as well. It is a foul and if it is in the box, it is a penalty, plain and simple. The usual response to this is the same you get to players arguing with the ref - that if you enforce it the way players are at the moment, you'd end up with loads of yellows and second-yellow-reds. But players are just not that stupid. You'd have one weekend where the thicker ones got sent off after which they would see the light and stop doing it. Just needs someone at the FA with the balls to just get it sorted. Ah..... I think I see the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
you want shiny new stadiums, plush pitches, high quality players and all the trimmings? then you have to swallow all the crap sky throw at you. the positives far outweigh the negatives in modern football.
neville was spot on last night.
No. I just want the Arsenal to win the CL and the PL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Wenger failed to congratulate Wigan on their win yesterday, didn't shake Martinez's hand either. Not exactly evidence of "class" is it? RVP also was ungracious by pushing Caldwell away when he went for a handshake. I'm not overly bothered by these incidents but it does highlight the rank hypocrisy of those who claim we occupy some moral highground and are classier than other teams, when we're not. I've accepted that so don't get flustered by these incidents. However, for the "true believers" they'll have to explain how these sorts of incidents (remember Ferguson did praise Wigan when they beat Man Utd) fit into the narrative of us being a classy team. Maybe those supporters can be honest and say this "class" thing was never about football, rather it was a piece of class snobbery highlighted how we have a greater proportion of middle class, affluent supporters than other clubs.
and that hasn’t changed in god knows how long. the difference? you get to see them play every game now, so you can actually see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
don’t for a minute think that there was more ‘honour’ between them 20 years ago.
no such thing as cheats – just those smart enough to take advantage.
there is no honour is sport, only the will to win.
Arsenal.com @ArsenalQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Wenger: "I congratulate Wigan, they did well."
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my post wasn't mean for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Coney
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Originally Posted by Joker
fail
Maybe if Cadwell had not been a twat throughout the game maybe RVP would have shown more respect to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
ANd wenger did praise Wigan actually he said they played very well and we were poor.
Yep your so not bothered you decided to post it on here.
End of the days even if he did not shake hands who cares.
Shaking hands is not a big deal and i don't see why its made a big thing off. it does not showyou have no class at all.
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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Joker :pal: thats was happens when you try to be clever tbh.
People need to check facts before a post things to boost their agurments.
I think we are all guilty of getting our facts wrong from time to time (apart from NQ who is a factual god and Cripps who never gets them right)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
But what is wrong is the way at least one poster on GW seems to go around in utter desperation looking for something negative to say about the team especially Wenger and RvP. Its ot even done in any attempt to start a debate, its pure negativity and like Charlie said backed up by nothing at all.
Funny thing is. . .I actuallt look forward to reading his posts. . .makes me keep in mind the kind of fan I hope I never become. . .and if I do please, someone put me out of my misery
Hows Gervinho doing? Still the best player of all time as you thought he was?Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
i dont agree with that. so what, are we supposed to passively accept the fact that diving has taken over our game and do nothing about it? what kind of attitude is that? what are the people at the fa paid to do, sit back, collect their cheques and let the game go into disarray?Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
we're supposed to be making our game better, not worse. players are supposed to be role models to millions of children worldwide so what kind of defeatist attitude is 'well its happening so we should just accept it'? its completely the last thing we should be doing and the fa should be taking action to stop it. if we let diving go when will it end? snapping legs in half? punching players? racism?
there may be a lot of 'more important' things in football, like financial fair play and making sure prestigious clubs like pompey don't go out of business, but letting standards slip as part of an acceptance philosophy is completely the wrong thing to do. diving is in the spotlight right at this very moment and the fa have the perfect opportunity to prevent it gaining momentum by acting harshly on players they suspect are guilty.
I agree with this completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Nevermind what Neville says on the subject, diving is cheating, end of story.
It should be looked at and an effort made to eradicate it from the professional game. If we sit back and say its ok, it's tactical, then the game wil go to the dogs.
We'll end up with players falling over all over the pitch, on the ball, off the ball, in the tunnel!, etc. Its a joke to suggest its alright to do it.
Neville :doh:
Eddie guerrero would be proud, god rest his soul.
Being as effective in his 5 minute cameo role as Walcott is in his 90 minute full gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Ach
yep, you swallow it or fuck off. simple as that. you can't change the nature of man. whether it's diving, kicking or encouraging the ref to punish the opposition, there will always, always be cheating and there will always be certain areas that are worse than others, that are seemingly not being dealt with.Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
you can suspect but unless you can conclusively prove someone is guilty, you are on a hiding to nothing.
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what a horrible attitude and awful argument.
'cant change nature of man', the problem is its not nature of man, it isnt something natural. its something artificial that has slowly embedded our game through gradualism and is now widespread. the degree of cheating and trying to defraud the referee has increased ten fold over the past 20 years, maybe because there's more at stake, but it still doesnt make it okay nor does it make it an excuse to let it go.
there will always be cheating, but to turn a blind eye and let the game go into disarray epitomises the attitude we should not be taking.
oh no, do we have a purist on our hands?Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
the 70's are that way >>>>>>
http://i.imgur.com/4EyAW.gif
excellent coherent argument, well played sir.
good thoughts on diving. people who go on and on about it are so boring
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Good Point On Diving
I had to laugh at the streams of disproportionate moral outrage pouring out of the English media in response to Ashley Young's dive yesterday. You'd think the Mail had discovered a new drug.
Practitioners of the dark art don't often let on, but defending is inherently cynical. Key skills include knowing the right time and place to give away a free kick, blocking off opponents when the ref is looking the other way and pushing a striker just hard enough to unbalance him without knocking him over. And, of course, appearing unhinged enough to make opponents fear for their safety without getting sent off all the time. As every Stoke fan knows, footballers aren't half as good when they fear for their safety. Nothing plays into our hands more than a forward determined to uphold the sacred spirit of the game and play proper English football for real men who stay on their feet innit. As long as we can avoid knocking them over, we can foul them all we want and the ref will only rarely give a free kick.
The pundits will always side with the defenders. I bet no one even knows who it was that grabbed Danny Welbeck's shirt as he was running in behind against Wigan last week. There was no universal outcry or condemnation of this blatant act of cheating. In England at least, defenders have somehow created a moral monopoly on cynicism in football. When a defender tugs a player back, happy to take a yellow card in order to stop a promising break, it's described as 'using his experience', or 'being quite clever there', or any one of an array of euphemisms. Never 'cheating', which is what it is. Only forwards are capable of 'cheating', thereby making them a 'disgrace' and prompting calls for all kinds of ridiculous punishments as 'the only way we'll stamp out this blight on our game.'
Spare us.
Will, Manchester
an argument built on sand deserves to be pissed onQuote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Like your face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
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as long as it's free
All teams need to be equal. Then there needs to be a small group of people who are more equal than the rest who should dictate. All players should be on the same wages. The crowd should wear the same clothes, preferably boiler suits with a picture of the glorious leader stamped on the front. This country should be renamed North Korea FFS! Why hasn't this happened yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Back in the real world, there's no proof Wenger didn't shake Martinez's hand. It could have been done at any time after the game. Was it done in front of the cameras, did both managers ensure they presented their best profile? Don't know, hard to be worried about such triviality. Caldwell is a genuinely classless prick. If some **** comes up to you in the street and starts mouthing off at you, do you take it, get on your knees and ask if he would like his cock sucked?
Oh you do! Well fair enough. Good argument then.
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