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Thats your Opionion But at the end of the day it won't matter neither will mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
UTD do have better resources then us stop being silly they can still afford to buy 3 players for 30 mill or more we can't do that and you know it.
Real, City and Chelsea are the real money bags of world footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Utd and Barca are strong because they have good managers and people around the club that want to win football matches. Utd's net spending is just 8 million quid a season! Thats not breaking the bank. We can surely do that!
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/
We have the money. Everything in the papers or what we hear from AW or the news says the same.. we have the resources to significantly strengthen the team yet we dont! With the resources we have, we should be challenging for trophies and winning some every season.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/...e-spending.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
And whose fault is that?
dont care
just pointing out your figures are wrong for net spending
34248923849 titles or whatever it is now, equals a lot of money to spend. utd have never been shy to spend
We have made a choice not to spend much in the transfer market, a choice which has resulted in us stagnating as a football club over the past 7 years.
Thank you for that! You made it easier. All this talk of "we cant compete with the money power of Utd/City" is absolute bollocks then! Liverpool and spurs have spent more than Utd yet Utd know how to spend wisely and be at the top! Last 10 seasons, they have spent 17 million quid a season. Surely we can spend 10 million quid a season? Or are we worse than that? Why have we not strengthened? Arsene Wenger! He thinks he is going to win everything with Diaby, Vela, Denilson, Benayoun, Scillaci and co.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
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And look at some of the clubs who have spent more, Stoke, Sunderland and Aston Villa. If they were able to spend more than us, surely there was some spare capacity and we could have spend more if we wanted to? Or do we really believe we are in a tighter financial straigtjacket than the aforementioned clubs?
yep because the papers and Aw tell the truth fact is we don't and never will know if we ever had the money simples.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Obvioulsy we had some money as we spent some in september, but i doubt we had loads as you suggest.
If we did we don't know how much the board released but that a topic for another thread this one has gone of course for too long now.
So you believe we can chuck the same amount of money on a player that city and UTD can more fool you if you beileve that.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
The bit in bold well duh. UTD know how to win titles so they know how to go about it.
Spuds and pool had to spend that money to get them where they wanted to be.
We did not need to spend money to finish 3rd/4th which was the aim for the 4 st years on the move to the emirates and anyone with a brain could see that.
They spent more than us but that does not mean they have spent a lot! I guess you did not get that point. Even Villa spent more than us. Does not mean they are the money bags of football. And circling back, thats what I was saying.. Utd spend according to what looks very realistic for a club of our size yet we DONT! Why!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Add 25million per season on satdium repayments each year for four years, and see what figure that takes us up to. Oh yeah. About the same as Utd.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
And we're still third.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...unds-to-investQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
There is money available, we have chosen not to spend it. Moreover, even with the little that we have spent, it could have been used to sign better players. For example, instead of Gervinho, Squillaci, Park, Chamakh we could have got in Cisse, Cabaye, Parker. Spending money on the later three instead of the former 4 wouldn't have cost the earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_AQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
[QUOTE=fakeyank;129216]They spent more than us but that does not mean they have spent a lot! I guess you did not get that point. Even Villa spent more than us. Does not mean they are the money bags of football. And circling back, thats what I was saying.. Utd spend according to what looks very realistic for a club of our size yet we DONT! Why!?[/QUOTE]
Because we had a staduim to repay off all the other club never simples.
You go on like we had money with no debt in the last 7 years at leas add that in your agrument instead of being so one sided is tedious tbh.
Yes, we can. Why cant we!? We got 25 million quid for Nasri and Adebayor. Between 30-40 million for Cesc. Of course we can spend 30 million quid at players. Something Utd can do. IMO, everything Utd can do monetarily on a player, we can do match at least 70% of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_AQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
[QUOTE=Charlie the Gooner;129220]Utd does not have debt :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Also, Utd's figures are massively skewed by one transfer. Ronaldo for 80 million. Great business....probably the best bit of business ever, but at the same time....it does mean that they have spent (relatively) as much as spuds etc, but for one transfer.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Easy to say in hindsight but had we signed those players inthe summer i doubt most gooners would have been happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
yes there are better players out their and AW made mistakes not signing them, but i don't think we have mega amount of money you go on about.
Articles like that don't tell us anything other what the fans want to here, we'd never know the truth about Arsenal's finaces we never have and never will. even our deals are undisclosed.
Wenger in 2010:
http://justarsenal.com/wenger-we-can...e-chelsea/3702
He was right that there were players not on Chelsea and Citeh's radar who would have improved us immensely. Instead he went with Chamakh, Gervinho and Squillaci.Quote:
“I think we can overcome Chelsea,” Wenger said. “For a while we were not investing maybe because we had built the stadium but I think our financial situation is now becoming much stronger and we will be capable to buy the players we need to buy.”
“No we cannot compete on wages with Chelsea. That is simple. I believe what is not normal is not our wage bill but their wage bill because that should not be allowed.
“However they cannot all go to Chelsea, it is as simple as that. There are top players outside of the ones Chelsea want to buy who are good enough for us.”
Yes we got that money it does not mean it was Given to the manager to spend it does not mean it was not give to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
My point its we will never truly know if we had money or not so to say it like you know because of Articles proves nothing.
PULL THE TRIGGER NOW!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
DO IT!!!
And that extra 25 million quid comes from revenue generated from CL football, merchandise sale, home games etc. Utd has debt payments too.. please do not forget that!Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
We're 7 points in front of them :shrug: He was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Really? Both have a bigger fan base, bigger stadia, bigger income. Neither have a new stadium to pay off. How can you say we have the same resources as them?Quote:
What is this resources that thing you talk about? Utd and Barca pretty much have the same resources as us!
You ignored the point about City and Chelsea. By rights we should have far bigger resources than either as we have a bigger fan-base, stadium etc. But they're bank-rolled by billionaires. Not much we can do about that.
How then can you say we have the resources to be top 2 or 3 in world club football? We don't even have the resources to be top 2 or 3 in this country.
I agree with some of your point about the way SAF has adapted. Wenger has taken a different approach, knowing he can't compete with Chelsea and now City in the transfer market he's not tried to and gone for 'project youth'. I don't think it's quite been the unmitigated failure some on here make out. We have, after all, finished top 4 every single year. You ignored the point about whether that's an easy thing to do and that Fergie is the only other manager to do it for a sustained period. Other clubs have spent bit to try and dislodge us and repeatedly failed. And Wenger is a bumbling idiot™? Nonsense.
The battered wife thing is balls. We're 3rd! Not mid-table, not on the brink of relegation. He pushes us down a well at the start of every season? The last 2 seasons at Christmas we've been a few points off the top (2 and 4 points respectively). The problem then was a poor end to the season, not the start. You're just making stuff up now as you have with the resources thing.
[QUOTE=fakeyank;129223]Never ever said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
If it was not given to him to spend, then why is he still with us? Which manager who is used to winning would one day want to work with so many constraints? He can resign, you know.. or may be he is too busy lining his pockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Easy said then done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
He also said we actually had money to spend, and that we were no longer as constrained by stadium debt payments as before. So what did he do with this money? A lot of it apparently wasn't spent, and what was spend was wasted on turds like Gervinho and Squillaci.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
Their revenue is far superior to ours. And if you'd read or paid any attention to the real financial analysis that has been posted on here in massive detail, you'd realise why we are so far behind in those stakes, what we are trying to do to close that gap, and how it is not simply down to the very basic "WENGER HAS 50MILLION WARCHEST" theory that most keyboard bashers churn out all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
You're right, but if you're meant to be a top manager (as many on this board claim he is) you're supposed to find these players, or at least make a better fist of it than Wenger's done in the last 5 years. Even Alan Pardew as able to find some top players in France, players that Wenger, who is supposed to be an expert on French football, completely missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
i don't know. But if your so bothred you can ask him.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Someone who bleeds the red and white of Arsenal?Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Who did Pardew find Ben Arfa.Caybaye more fool you if you think he found them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Problem is when they were available last season we never needed them.
maybe had they been avaliable last summerwe may have gone from them.
But from someone who think RVP is shite id be happy if Wenger did not take advie from you on what quality is or who he should have gone for.
He gambles. We all know that. Squid was a gamble. Gervinho is too....though he has another season to prove himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
He also bought Vermaelen, Koscielny and Sagna when we were crying out for a defence. People poo-poo'd them...and now look. Fuckin EPIC.
It's gambling with smaller funds than the leading pack who can just spunk it all on who they want without worrying about the business....
He's been wring with a lot of things, has Wenger, but I'm not gonna pick over the amounts he's spent. Relatively, he's done alright.
Eh he signed him didn't he, and managed to get those players and took a chance on them? I'm not saying he signed them when they were 16 years old and were signed as part of a youth project, but he realised there ability and took a punt. These are exactly the type of players we need, they wouldn't cost a fortune, are at a good age and therefore have enough experience to come into the side immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Can't wait until this season is over and done with.
Bring on the Euros.
Well obvoulsly but they were well known players before this, they just were sought after by the big clubs simples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Like i said in hindsight its easy to say we should have signed them but had we did and they turned out poor you'd bethe 1st on here to moan.
Mind you you'd moan if we signed them and they turned out world class.
Obviously there's an element of risk whenever you're signing a player, but it's not as if the probability is 50% that they'll turn out good and 50% they won't regardless of the player you sign. Getting signings right demands high quality judgement, and the high number of failures that Wenger has signed recently (I admit there have been exceptions like Koscielny) indicates that, at least in the last 5 years, Wenger has not displayed good footballing judgement and cannot be called a top class manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner