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Welcome mate and great first post. All this talk about blaming the board for literally everything is frankly a load of BS. The board just needs to get their cojones and fire Wenger. Absolutely clueless manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlindFaith_8
That was the worst atmosphere I have witnessed for a long time.
Swansea didn't even play that well.
We were naive; rudderless; lacking ideas; no passion; no drive; no confidence.
Wenger has lost the dressing room. maybe not in the traditional way, but these players do not believe in what they are being told to do.
Wenger is playing a method of football that is 7 years out of date. Telling players to express themselves might work with top players, experienced and with football brains - that he fortuitously had in the early 2000's. It will not work with inferior players who might pass his technical test, but do not have the character to understand his philosophical approach to the game. There are far fewer of these types of players around anyway, because the world away from Wenger is taking players from a young age and coaching the fuck out of them. Everything is being covered in terms of preparation for the game, and Wenger's players are coming up against this and thinking 'shit - we don't know what to do!'.
That Wenger is too stubborn and lacking in the objectivity to see this is shocking. This is a train crash on the football pitch while the club hold press conferences to boast how good we are commercially.
the board won't do that --- because it is wenger who makes THE BANK OF ARSENAL click.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
they wont find another manager that gives so much shit about profiteering :good:
LOL. Didn't watch it. After Villa and Everton there was no way I was getting stung a third time. Wenger deserves much stick, the team too because most of them don't give a shit about this club and you can see it in the way they play. But I hope the more sensible fans reserve some fire for the profiteers who have raped the club. It all started with them and their stink has filled every nook and cranny. There's nothing good going on at this club, can't think of a thing.
I second that, that was indeed the best decision you ever made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Pretty much, they'll be telling us how lucky and ungrateful we are soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by gooners
Wenger has the best and easiest job in football, 7 million to achieve nothing, no questions asked.
You forgot about joining GWQuote:
Originally Posted by Grebbo
Can you imagine paying £2,000 a year to watch that tripe?
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I'd have kept it if the atmosphere was any good but it's shocking. No fucker sings.
Arsenal FC is in terminal decline.
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Originally Posted by Grebbo
I used to recall that the general remit of any Arsenal manager was to challenge for the league champonship and to keep your job you had to win an FA Cup or League Cup as a bare minimum, Wenger has certainly devalued the manager's job at AFC. What's saved Wengers job over the past 7 years the Champions League 3rd and 4th spot, but this season for the first time in a long time Wenger has worthy comeptition in Everton and the spuds and possible oustiders in Swansea and WBA. We used to be the envy of every club, first club to have under floor heating at Highbury, the first club to travel first class on the train whilist the others all went 2nd class, the first club to wear suits to matches!! Don't be fooled, Arsenal are a historic and prestigious club and I can assure you any top class manager would never turn down the offer to manage this once great club. We used to be called the bank of england due to financial the vast resources we had at our disposal, and now Wenger has turned us in to a club that should be happy to finish 4th to play in a competition we have no chance of winning. I don't get it. Oh how I wish we had the old Arsenal back.
Me and my brother have decided not to renew the season ticket for next season. Might change our minds if Wenger leaves before then but its unlikely. Worst Arsenal team I have seen managed by the worst manager I have seen. Fuck this team.
On a side note, Swansea are class.
Mini Dortmund. :bow:
I see the "tired" excuse has been churned out again. What a load of BS.
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Is this the excuse you're using also for saying that swansea are class?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
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Originally Posted by Gervinho's Forehead
The quality of player in our squad has progressively declined down the years (o hai captain obvious. Still rather that than Captain Vermaelen). But it means when we're in bad form and come across a team like Swansea in good form that there is a good chance we'll get our asses kicked. MOTD highlights showed so many occasions of them virtually playing FIFA Street around some lost children. The quality of player is not there to ensure we're sure to win this sort of game and without the requisite quality it will continue to be a regular struggle when we're in blippy and crisis periods. I can't say I was surprised hearing the result - more :rolleyes: followed by...yeah, that makes sense really.
That you're tired? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
But FFS! we're THE fucking ARSENAL!!! We shouldn't be going oh well 0-2 to swansea was predictable!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
Well we're talking in the context of today. Swansea came into it playing better and a lot more fluently than Arsenal. That negates the On Paper inferiority that exists. Then it's anyone's game. And Arsenal don't happen to have too many matchwinners who can overcome all that. We all know what happened to the last one. So yeah, Mikachu finishes a couple of Swansea moves and it's their game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gervinho's Forehead
Oh I agree with you 100% I just mean it's pretty shit in generall that we're bracing ourselfs for a home defeat to swansea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
To be honest looking at their chances, it could easily have been 4 or 5 today, Chesney made some excellent saves.
That he did! I don't rate him as 1st choice keeper anymore, he's been found out big time, but he certainly earned his money today with some very good saves. Sadly he does tend to cause more problems than save us from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Shit's fucking depressing.
I can't even string a cogent sentence describing the debilitating effects this farce of a team is having on me. It's fucking dire.
This is not my Arsenal. Those imposters are not worthy of being called Arsenal players. They simply aren't of the fabric. For this, Wenger must be put to the sword. It was he who brought every single one of those pieces of shit here -the shameless, worthless, odious dregs that threaten to drag us through the depths of the grimmiest sewers.
This travesty against our great and illustrious club needs to be checked. The slimy profit mongering vampires at the top, sucking away every blood of pride, need to be staked as well.
From top to bottom, every nook and cranny, every crevice, every square inch, all the rot, the stink emanating from within the walls of the club, all need to be cleansed. This is not some hurry come up club. This is a club of class, with envied history and grandeur. This is the fucking Arsenal.
Fuck off Stan Kroenke
Fuck Peter Hill-Wood
Fuck off Ivan Gazidis
Fuck off Arsene Wenger
Fuck off shameless pile of dross players - all unfit to even wear a hand me down Arsenal shirt.
Just watched the first half. If we had better players than Gervinho and Walcott we'd have gone in with a fairly straightforward lead. I think what's happening here is people are remembering the end of the game and a loss and applying it to what was a fairly even first half in terms of meaningful incidents.
Swansea were as poor as we are. They are very open at the back and down the flanks. But they have better players than us in the final third. But certainly nothing special. We stood off them and failed to put any pressure on the ball and they used the space competently. Nothing more. Can't understand all the plaudits they are getting. Maybe they improved in the second half, we'll see.
Gibbs was appalling for the first 45 minutes.
Cazorla very ordinary and Wilshere nowhere near top form.
I don't like the cheating by Gervinho and Cazorla either. Horrible.
Terrible performance by Gervinho up to being subbed, which was his best moment. A very low quality player. Walcott is not much better, 90% of what he does is awful. Whether the other 10% is worth it, hard to say. If we replace those two with quality we could bring Podolski and Giroud into games a lot more.
Score line didn't reflect the game at all. Very much a gift courtesy of our poor central defenders, including Merts who seems to get a free pass these days. Second goal was a mistake by Jenkinson. However, the failure of anyone to support the kid when he was man on was telling. They'd given up at a goal down. Not many players with character in this team.
Ironically a better performance today, better passing, better crossing. But a loss instead of a draw. Swansea very average but took their gift well.
Ches, good show.
Jenkinson, one of the better players up until a key mistake.
Gibbs, terrible
Arteta, a shadow
Verm, average
Merts, average
Cazorla, lacks bottle
Wilshere, not back to his best
Gervinho, waste of a shirt
Podolski, not being utilised, a lazy German?
Walcott, guy can't do even the basics
Wenger. Stupid to start Gervinho over Giroud. And even then Gervinho should never have been allowed back on the pitch after the break. We may well have bagged 3 points today if it Giroud had started.
The defense is a shambles. Worsens bad as ever. Don't think we'll ever get that sorted.
Not a terrible performance, overreaction here is crazy, unlucky to lose, Swansea nothing special either. Better decisions from Wenger and better players than Gervinho and Walcott and we could turn this back around.
I guess we're also unlucky to be 10th too, right?
How the heck else do you expect folks to react to this kind of shit?
I'm talking about one match, not the season so far. I expect some people to watch the game and react accordingly. I expect others to have a hysterical breakdown. Depends on the person. But no way was that performance today as poor as the two that have gone before. Much better passing today, and by that I mean we weren't awful. Better crossing. A few shots going in. Still too slow, still shit in the final third but an improvement from what is a very average side these days. That's why I say we were unlucky. It was a 50/50 game with two typically tragic defensive moments at the end to throw a point away. That's what actually happened. What else do you want me to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
So much standing around by this team in the attacking 1/3, and when they do run the movement off the ball was predictable and easy to defend. Desperately need some class strikers that opponents fear and more midfield players willing to run for 90 minutes. Cazorla needs to play CAM to free him up to create with less defensive responsibilities and our dreaded "CDM" position goes unfilled almost every game now. No one closing down or covering the back four, which draws the CBs out of position every time. So simple to see, but still nothing is done to change this....
Now the part that really scares me is that there seems to be certain entitlement built into the mentality of these players, as if they feel they are "better" than Swansea so no need to press or show any heart on the pitch. We've seen what these players are capable of and the inconsistency is seriously appalling. I've played and coached on inconsistent teams and its SO hard to get motivated for matches and you can clearly see it in this squad. They play scared to make mistakes and also scared to take chances to unlock the defense. I don't know if is an after effect of RVPs dominance last season for AFC but it seems all are looking for others to do the work, which is a recipe for disaster. A new manager might fix the issue, but the MAIN under lying problem still remains and needs to be dealt with...we've sold our best players for many years in row and replaced with players of less quality in the hopes they will blossom at Arsenal. I'm not sure where we go from here and neither does Wenger or his crew...but its very disheartening and I hope AW or SB can do something to re-motivate these players before they to lose hope.
/end rant
COME ON ARSENAL. SORT IT OUT!
Well, it seems a well played loss doesn't really offer much solace to fans who are fed up with being fed shit week in week out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
A few improved passes and crosses are easily be overshadowed by losing to Swansea, especially at home. Fuck any form of pretence of objectivity at this point. We don't need to hear that it was 50/50 or we played better against Swansea than we did against villa or Everton.
Completely agree and it has been going on for years. Back in the day it was a good thing because the players were good enough to warrant their high opinion of themselves. But once the quality had been sold out the attitude didn't drop to a realistic level. Ramsey is one of the worst culprits, the way he casually strokes his misplaced passes to the opposition.Quote:
Now the part that really scares me is that there seems to be certain entitlement built into the mentality of these players
You may not want to hear certain things but on a public forum you run the risk of encountering differing opinions. I didn't say the fans should seek solace in a loss. I said we played better today than we have done in recent weeks, although still nowhere near the level I expect from a supposedly top flight team. But I've seen comments about how good Swansea were - not in my opinion, I thought they were average. We gifted them a couple of late goals otherwise it would have been a poor goalless draw which would have been the fair result based on play. When I say unlucky I don't mean the defensive lapses weren't scandalous - particularly the second where the team had given up. I mostly mean we are unlucky as fans that Gervinho plays for us. What a shit player. I'm not tipping us for the title. All I'm saying is the performance was nowhere near as bad as some are painting it, although the result was bad of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshGooner
Get most of what you're saying. I agree that some people on here are tipping the scale somewhat by saying Swansea is actually anything barring being pubbers. But they did pull off a win no matter how average they were against us. Kind of speaks volumes about the character of our team when a pub team can be average against us and still beat us by 2 goals at our home.
Shows we have no drive, no determination, no guile, no killer instinct, no winning mentality, no pride or passion for the shirt; just a rudderless, toothless pack of mongrels selected by a stubborn old mule who should have been relieved of his duties some 3 years ago. With all the money at his disposal, he buys and handsomely pays the likes of Gervinho, Ramsey, Santos, Koscielny, Arteta, Chamakh, Bendtner, Vela, Denilson, Vermaelen, Squilacci, etc, all unworthy of being Arsenal players.
Oh, and while you're rightfully at Gervinho's throat, calling him out for the shit he is, it would also be fair to apportion some of the slating to whoever it was that picked him ahead of Giroud and persisted with him for however long today.
Spot on, so much arrogance in this sqaud we seen it not from this season but for the last few. The players are just a disgrace its ok blaming the manager but they need to fucking man up and stop being lazy ****. Lets be honest were at a disadvantage before we even get on the pitch anyways the sqaud is no good and we are seeing the results of lack of quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ Philosophe
talking of MOTD, those ****s love it when we lose! Especially that big eared wanker Lineker!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis Bendtner
everything on the left hand side of the team yesterday was absolutely terrible and swansea took full advantage. podolski couldn't be bothered to run, gibbs was a joke and verm just gets worse week on week.