You're always got a chance in football but Bayern would be strong favourites.
I'm looking forward to it, nothing to lose really, there's no disgrace in going out to that lot.
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You're always got a chance in football but Bayern would be strong favourites.
I'm looking forward to it, nothing to lose really, there's no disgrace in going out to that lot.
I give us a 7.4% chance to progress. Cazorla needs to have a monstrous game.
Not bothered which goes through tbh, just laugh at the loser tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cripps
depends how we go out tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meh-ry Christmas
Hartson - "Arsenal should not fear Bayern Munich"
Hartson :lol:
Awlful....
Just awlful.
From memory, we have played Bayern 4 times in the Wenger era
W1 D1 L2 is our record and the one we won, we still went out on aggregate
Yeah we're fucked
Well he's not wrong, like letters said we got nout to lose anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoeLDG
Well, I guess having a holocaust in both games would be embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
But even a comfortablish win for Bayern wouldn't be that humiliating.
At least we're playing a team I'm excited about seeing us play.
Nice choice of words.
What are the chances of us having a holocaust against the Germans?
i remember the 05/06/07 years when we had these type of games and were complete underdogs, noone ever gave us a chance yet we somehow managed to win.
that night at the bernabeu, i remember the papers the previous day giving us absolutely nothing in terms of hope.
we had stars in those teams that could spark something out of nothing. a great team ethic and belief.
i miss those days.
They'll beat us and beat us well.
05 and 07 we crashed out in the last 16. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winter Wonderland
We did have the '06 run but that's it really.
So what you're saying is getting beaten by them is OK really, not a bad result for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meh-ry Christmas
I think we'll get beaten, but no I don't think it's good enough that we expect to get beaten by Bayern, we should feel we have a good chance and would if the club was managed properly.
Don't say We speak for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Ok, so you think we should be scraping the bottom of the barrel and expect to get beaten by all and sundry then? Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
Not sure how you got that from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
That's not really what I'm saying, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
But they are CL Finalists (I know, so are Chelsea, and how did they do this year? :lol: ) and are clearly a better side than us.
Losing away at ManYoo isn't a disgrace. Being beaten by them by a cricket score like last year, or being beaten so easily by them this, isn't good enough.
Even at our best under Wenger we lost to Bayern, we're a shadow of that side now while Bayern are clearly pretty strong. They're strong favourites and losing to them is no disgrace.
As someone else said, if we lose then the manner of the defeat and our performance is what I'll look at.
Well if you don't think we should feel we can beat Bayern, that means you think we shouldn't feel we can beat them and the opinion you've voiced is that we can't expect to be 4th cos our team isn't good enough etc and should know that .Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
So you think we should accept being 2nd rate then?
Yeah but I really hate the fact that we really don't feel we have a decent chance, we're a huge club after all but it seems on the pitch we are small time....in the last 20 years I'd have given us a decent chance of winning everytime, but not today because our team doesn't have the heart, desire or quality to give me that belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meh-ry Christmas
I find that sad, I'd love nothing more than to believe we can beat anyone, the reality is though I just don't, I expect us to lose. Chelsea won the CL as underdogs last season, they didn't have a great season in the league and yet won it, why is it that our team is so predictable, why is there no expectations that we can pull off a shock?
I reckon it's because of the mentality of the team and management, Graham had inferior teams that beat big superior sides but the reason is they had desire and belief they could upset anyone, without that you have nothing.
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Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
You might not feel we have a chance but other gooners might, hence the speak for yourself.Quote:
I think we'll get beaten, but no I don't think it's good enough that we expect to get beaten by Bayern, we should feel we have a good chance and would if the club was managed properly.
Some might, but you'd have to be a real optimist to think we have a decent chance, they're CL finalist, have top quality players like Robben and Ribery who frankly can run rings round our defence and after last season have a lot to prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
I just think they'll be too organised and will have too much offensively for us, a good result at home is our best hope IMO.
Man U have a massive task, can't see them winning that, Real are a formidable team, that's a really bad draw for a group winner.
Way i see it, we have a chance, its up to us to take that chance. We have nothing to lose so id say i hope the team goes for it. We could have got a worse draw vs a Dortmund and a Bayern and id take this tie over them. Don't get it twisted Bayern are favs for the tie, That does not mean the boys should fear them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Boateng's stupid red card has some relevance to us now. Also Badstuber is dead for the remainder of the season.
It's on like Diddy Kong (racing)!
I'd believe we have a chance if in the last 5+ years we hadn't looked totally toothless against decent opposition in the CL, sorry but I just don't believe we have a chance, this team doesn't have that winning mentality and desire which gives you that chance, we're too predictable as usual we'll fold under pressure like a house of cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
I've heard people saying we have a chance in the CL for years but our performances have never given us that hope.
I'm not exactly doing cartwheels about it either but we are where we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Wenger's never been a great tactician or motivator but he did have great players back in the day and he had 2 great captains in Adams and Vieira. Now he has neither.
Oh, and Chelsea had massive slices of luck last year. They had Drogba who could always get them a goal and they defended well at times when their back were against the wall, but they did get bloody lucky too.
You always have a chance Bayern are not the best team, and they did lose in the 3-1 to Bate. End of the day as long as thr players feel they do thats what is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Who knows Bayern may get bad Injuries by the time in comes around. CL is full of suprises anything can happen. Not sure why write them off but i bet you'll be watching.
Yeah i remember jumping for Joy when Graham won the Cl, good times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
I'd rather be playing Real Madrid than Bayern. Madrid will always give you chances.
We are out.
I agree, but there's been something missing with Wenger teams for a long time, it's almost like they're incapable of upsetting the odds, the belief and desire just doesn't seem to be there and that's why we never get through IMO, it's not always about being the best team as Chelsea demonstrated last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meh-ry Christmas
I also agree Chelsea had a lot of luck last season, but they also had those players in the team capable of taking advantage of those slices of luck, when you look at our team who do we have to deliver on the big occasion?
I just can't see us beating them, I reckon they'll be too organised for us and we don't cope well with organised defences, they also a few matchwinners who can take a tie away from you in the space of a few minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
I'll watch of course but I'm not expecting anything, I'd enjoy it much more if it wasn't so predictable.
It was the CWC but yes, for me those teams were maybe technically inferior but you went into these games thinking...you know what we could really do this and this made the games all the more enjoyable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
That's definitely missing from the recent Wenger teams, I can never picture a scenario where we perform for two legs without screwing something up.
Rubbish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
We were odds on favourites vs Bradford and we managed to cause an upset there.
:(
Missed the point completely. 10 points for anyone who can guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Oh right sarcasm, nice one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
I'd rather watch the Graham team in Europe any day of the week to be honest, Wenger's teams since 2006 have been sh*t and beaten as expected everytime when they met one of the big boys, that's why the CL is so boring, the inevitability of it all.
We have two hopes of getting through, bob hope and no hope.
Yes because Wengers team pre 2006 did well in the Cl. Grahams teams was good but not as good as the Invincibles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merry Chrizimas
Pretty much, Isn't cup football about the element of suprise and what could happen. Fa cup/CC/Cl just about anything can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meh-ry Christmas
Yes but only organised teams with leadership and belief upset bigger teams, from what I've seen we just don't have that within the team...noone really believes we can beat them and they certainly don't play like they believe they can. Wenger teams post 2006 have basically been very predictable in a sense that you know what they can and can't achieve and they never deviate from this, that's why the same cycle repeats itself over and over again and that in itself is what takes a lot of the enjoyment out of watching the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivier's xmas twist
In addition over two legs it's less of a lottery.