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I’m not saying it was perfect. There were minor errors but nothing major or comical like we’ve seen in the past where there is poor marking, awareness and we fail to do the very basics. Still a long road to go but they were switched on at the back at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
i think it is far too easy to say that. teams have off days, no matter who they. the gears can't always be clicked through like magic at the touch of a button. if you start the game with the wrong approach, and by all accounts they did, then that task becomes harder. going 1-0 down at the start would have course set off some alarm bells for them and if they weren't interested, they literally would've just played keep ball. they're a great team who can destroy most teams and i believe with their habits, why wouldn't they want to have fun smashing yet another team in front of their home fans? they wanted to of course, but they couldn't. we contributed to that. hard to believe i know, but we did. let's just enjoy a victory. there's no shame. it doesn't mean any lasting change or any cosmic shift in wenger's team but we're allowed to take satisfaction from beating one of the worlds best teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Yes, it was definitely better. They only got in behind us once when Robben broke free, most of the rest of their chances were pot-shots from distance which were generally well closed down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
The effort. . .passion, call it what you will is a big issue for me. . .so many games could be won or at least not lost if we took a leaf (dare I say it?) Utd's book.Quote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Lets hope we keep the same mentality. . .asking a bit much though for two games on the bounce
Because/MS :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master Splinter
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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
If anything Fabs deserves the #1 because of Ches's lame arse excuse for not playing. . .although the excuse haa lots of Wumgerness about it
Kos should be playing instead of Verms, terrible decision to make him captain thus forcing his inclusion in every starting 11
Rosicky to provide a rerun of the drive that saw us nick fourth last term?
Our defending was better last night no doubt about it, we still made errors but less than usual.
Overall Bayern just didn't turn up, the nature of the game and them being 3-1 up and being told the tie is over (that's what they said everyone thought in Germany) clearly didn't help their mentality, they didn't really know what to do and were unprofessional on the night IMO.
We won yes, but had what 4 shots on goal, we didn't exactly lay siege on their goal, we just caught an off colour Bayern and played well defensively....at no point did we look like winning the tie, there was no pouring forward putting Bayern under intense pressure, even after going 2-0 up there wasn't a huge amount of urgency and if anything Bayern then controlled the game and we didn't get a sniff.
I agree with LDG had the first leg been a bit different Bayern would have played a different game and beaten us comfortably. Good win without question but another totally pointless win I'd rather have beaten Blackburn in the FA Cup as that would mean something.
We really need more than that. The defence was a lot better but the midfield and attack was woeful. Bad decisions, sloppy passes poor touches and positioning, players hiding. I thought they’d really be up for this game but a lot of the players were really tame. Very slow to close down the ball and not compact enough when defending or attacking. I remember Jenko losing his shit when he was going forward with the ball and nobody was making themselves available for a pass when he was getting closed down. Annoys me to see that sort of thing and players like Arteta pointing away so he doesn’t receive the pass instead of trying to get into space to alleviate the pressure. You never see that crap with Barca. They all make themselves available even in tight spaces where only a touch can be played for a simple one two. What’s happened to our triangle passes and bouncing one twos around the opposition in the midfield?Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
The next ten games is arguably the most important set of games the club has had for a long time.
If we fail to compete, or die away without a whimper, it really does spell worse times to come for the club.
Back when the "who should be the next captain?" thread was made way back when, 95% of you were rejoicing at the thought of it being vermalean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
You dont have the right to jump down wengers throat about it now.
I agree with this. I dont hate Giroud, I see the effort he puts in and I am happy for him when he scores as I hope it means a start of a run of goals but he doesnt have tbe constant threat/match winning qiality that RvP did. . .nor does Walcott so we do really need to find the kind of player that can win us games with a flash of genius. Giroud on the bench is a much better option than Chamakh or BenderQuote:
Originally Posted by Joker
For years it has been my ambition to launch my own value brand of toilet paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
It will be called 'Brownfinger'.
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Originally Posted by LDG
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...remier-league-
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Less chat, more results.
it's the arsenal website, you have to expect corporate bravado. that's what it's there for.
Well sure, but it does wear you down when you get this bullshit spouted over and over and not translated into results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
don't visit the site? it's far more optional than bumping into stories everywhere in the media, which can grind, i agree.
I generally don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
forgot to post this earlier, but i fucking love carl jenkinson. a man who gives everything to the club he loves. and for telling that **** shreeves to pretty much fuck off.
jenkinson :bow:
What for celebrating a pointless win and ignoring the important questions. Let's rejoice in our pointless win and not focus on the important problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Yeah well done.
yeah let's just stay completely miserable about everything. that's what i'd prefer.
Well no, but why does it always have to be so extreme?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
Tonight was a good result but we've seen these results before when we're under no pressure (as we were expected to go out) and the other side aren't at the races ('cos they're certain to go through). Bayern switched off so much last night we gave them a scare, but there is a pretty clear pattern of us getting these results.
If we back it up with a win at the weekend then great, that would be a good result in a difficult game. Let's not over-react to last night's win, good as it was. You need to look at the context of it.
absolutely no one has overreacted to the victory, at least on here. all that has happened is some fans have taken a bit of pride from one game, without for one second thinking this means everything changes from here on in. if anything, there has been a counter reaction to rubbish a victory in a game. no one is asking for fans perceptions to change - i still believe we'll finish fifth as i always have - but geez, wallowing and dismissing anything positive at any given time does nothing.
I’m with you. It was a good result and we didn’t get crushed but there is still work to be done because it looked as though neither team got out of 1st gear last night. I wouldn’t call it a brave or battling performance but it’s a result…even if a tad bit meaningless because we’re out of the competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Apart from the weirdos who couldn't say something original or interesting if their life depended on it, it's not a choice to feel happy or disappointed or proud or whatever. As I've said it's all about whether you can still separate out the ridiculous lack of preparation or concentration that gets us into positions we can't recover from. 5 big games in 2013, all 5 pretty much gone in the first half when we're 2-0, in some cases in the first 15-20 mins.
The first time it happens you're thinking we'll it's pretty stupid but decent fight back, at least they showed some balls and maybe we can learn for next time. The second time it happens you're thinking similarly. Third time, fourth time. 5th time I'm thinking, 'you bunch of idiots'. No one expects us to win all the big games but to self-sabotage your chances of winning, in record speed, in all 5 is a bit ridiculous.
Yup. Which is why I'm pretty dvoid of any emotion about this result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synti Claus
What is important, is that we do a job for the next ten games. We need to actually start thinking of being solid and ugly before we even start thinking of where we may end up.
If the application and sheer-bloody-mindedness that we will not be beaten, is put into each performance, from the first whistle; and if we respect each game, paying heed to the opposition, then I'll get on board and give credit where it's due.
But we have yet to prove anything near that kind of consistency and respect this year. You only get credit when you start doing it week in week out. becuase that is what professionals do.
There was nothing positive from that game, not a single thing. The result is measured over two legs so we lost, we didn't win. The worst aspect was the way Bayern treated us like total shit and we let them away with it because our players are so sub-standard they simply couldn't get a fairly straightforward job done against a team that had arrogantly made the biggest mistake you can make in sport, assuming a result. There's no glory or pride in failure when it comes on the back of eight years of the same. This was us falling at yet another hurdle, only this time the challenge was easy. Forget about the away game against the potential winners and being two goals down. That's not who we played last night. We were playing against a team that was talking about their next opponents and dismissed us like we were shit on their shoes. More fool them, they almost paid the price and would have done against any half decent team. But they were playing us so they got away with it. The idea there was any element of success last night shows how the mentality of averageness has seeped through the club. That horrendous tappy game we play and now with players who can't even pass, it drives me up the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
That's right. Ten more performances grinding it out and we might, just might, nab 4th spot. Our trophy. If we can find consistency in our terrible averageness we can slog past another average team and grab a crumb. The owners and manager of this club have really sold us a lemon to suck on. What is it about this club? They actually had a chance last night when nobody gave them a prayer. Bayern did us every favour they possibly could short of score for us. We have a player like Walcott who is shit at everything he does except using his pace to unsettle defences. So we play is square and backwards and slowly, maybe because we do things the Arsenal way and find doing what it takes to win distasteful. Well now we have our manners intact and another sordid season under our belts. I'd have put money on Stoke getting a result last night, but I wouldn't put a penny on us.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
To say there was nothing positive from the game is over egging it.
I thought Fabianski was a positive. He hasn't been party to our recent collapses and he looked assured.
I really hope Wenger keeps him in the side to build on that.
The fact that I have doubts that Wenger will keep him in the side speaks volumes however about my confidence in Wenger to make the sensible decision in any situation.
No, it's not. Judge them when the season is over they say. Well it's over. We lost. It's been a dreadful season. The players are shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by GB.
I think you've got that covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
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Harsh on the future Mrs LDG :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
In more ways than one.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDG
I read the comments from Wenger about English football being in decline, what he failed to point out is that we've been going out before the QF for a few years now, not the other teams and yet he never pointed to our failings.
English teams have had a bad season but Man U gave real game and as mentioned Chelsea won it last season and these teams will be back next season........not so sure about us, we have definitely been in decline, something he refuses to acknowledge, he still talks about our quality, spirit and the mentality of the team without recognising it's his weakest group of players and that there's barely a world class player in the squad.
He's so good at deflecting criticism away from us and pretending everything is rosy, this is what makes me think he won't make many changes in the summer, it's the same cycle repeating itself over and over again, I simply don't understand how anyone could keep making the same errors for so long.
to be honest we're winning fuck all trophies and don't sign big players so these type of performances are the only thing we can celebrate nowadays. backs against the wall and we ended up winning, its like a little trophy for us. its pathetic but it is what it is. we know who's to blame for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
one more thing,
@NorthBankDanAFC
I just met a Bayern fan arriving back in London after the game. He said Arsenal have the best away fans he's ever seen in The Allianze Arena.
fucking hell lads :bow: :bow:
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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Our fans having a nutter for Giroud's goal:Quote:
Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
http://t.co/kODGjY1vWu
Away fans :bow:
Alwsomeness :bow: