**Match Reaction Thread - Chelsea League Cup**

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Originally Posted by BOBN

They asked him before the game, his reply? Not concerned because the managers dont play on the pitch.

Translation? Its not my fault guv, its those fookers.

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:lol: I forgot managers don't have any control on tactics, team selection, signings, motivation, substitutions etc!

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Originally Posted by LDG

I think that's the point. I wonder if Podolski would have been preferred through the middle? Or Theo?

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Exactly. It's a shame the pressure is all on Giroud. He's one player who has been faultless this season, though.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqVVsi5x66M

How did Bendnter do ?.... ' I don't want to go into individual players assessments'

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:haha:

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Originally Posted by BOBN

Diddums, poor Bendy had no idea who was behind him. Did you want Billy from Islington in row 2 to give him detailed reconnaissance or something? Its his JOB to LOOK at what the FOOK is happening. Ive seen 12 year old players grasp the concept of looking at the surroundings before the ball gets to him. What a ridiculous defence.

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I've seen worse from other players tbh. He didn't shoot maybe it was bad play, but so is being at home and barely having a shot or creating a chance.

Didn't make a difference in the game because we got schooled again by a Chelsea B team no less, we would have lost regardless yesterday as we just didn't have a cutting edge.

As for the people creaming themselves over Giroud, I didn't see him scoring any goals yesterday when he came on so I highly doubt he would have made a difference to the result had he started.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

If you can analyse why Ramsey didn't shoot, why can't you do the same for Bendy? Circumstances on the pitch. I don't know why we go into the physiological analysis mode and assume he doesn't want to be here based on that one incident. Surely he knows his ticket out of here is to score, right?

But overall we need better strikers. It's scandalous that we're depending on Bendy and brought on Park of all people.

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Because there is no excuse for Bendtner not to get a shot out of that situation, the only way i can analyse it, is Bendtner not caring or being lazy, as he was in the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Explain to me why Ramsey didn't shoot?

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How can anyone explain that? He should have shot it.

That said, it should not have been played to him in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Özim

As for the people creaming themselves over Giroud, I didn't see him scoring any goals yesterday when he came on so I highly doubt he would have made a difference to the result had he started.

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Atleast he tried and worked hard, even got a good shot off from a difficult position :)

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Originally Posted by Steve French

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He's not happy with Jenkinson and that header.

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

Atleast he tried and worked hard, even got a good shot off from a difficult position :)

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As said before, the difference between him and Bendy is the work rate and work ethic.

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

Atleast he tried and worked hard, even got a good shot off from a difficult position :)

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Maybe, but the fact remains he came on and we still really didn't create much or have much in front of goal. We were beaten by a more organised, disciplined side yesterday, as is the case when we play the big teams we just struggle to break them down as they know how to neutralise us.

We played a lot of our first 11 yesterday and despite that and them playing a weakened team we still couldn't really suss out a way to break them down, I'd say a top striker is a priority now, someone who can give the bigger teams more problems.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Look at the pace of the pass. It's dead centre under Bendy's feet. The touch would have had to be immense to kill the pace and inch perfect to set up a shot with his right foot. By the time he'd have controlled it the opportunity would have been gone. Wasn't a great game from Bendy but I wouldn't use that moment to illustrate it. That wasn't a coward like or sloppy moment. Ramsey was calling for the pass before it reached Bendy because he saw the shot was on. Just a case of us overplaying if anything. But we need a world class striker! Giroud wouldn't have been able to deal with that.

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Whats funny is being an egomanic Bendtner clearly watched the Wilshere goal and thought "I can do what Giroud does, I can outdo him". But what he doesnt get is Girouds flicks are late decisions based on his circumstance. Bendtner knew he was gonna pass that ball before it was even played to him. It was a thick action.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

How can anyone explain that? He should have shot it.

That said, it should not have been played to him in the first place.

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Some have tried to explain it. It's just a case of overplaying and who knows what the player sees or feels in that moment but I think it's a far stretch to assume Bendy doesn't want to be here from that one moment.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Some have tried to explain it. It's just a case of overplaying and who knows what the player sees or feels in that moment but I think it's a far stretch to assume Bendy doesn't want to be here from that one moment.

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He was timid all game, regardless of that moment. Besides I think everyone shared the same feelings about this waster long before last night.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

He was timid all game, regardless of that moment. Besides I think everyone shared the same feelings about this waster long before last night.

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It's really not wise to get on his back so early. We're talking about a player that isn't that good to begin with getting his first start in months! He's rusty but a lot of people or creating a more cynical narrative behind his performance. It's bad enough we have to depend on him as a second striker but the abuse from the crowd only harms us.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Some have tried to explain it. It's just a case of overplaying and who knows what the player sees or feels in that moment but I think it's a far stretch to assume Bendy doesn't want to be here from that one moment.

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From that one moment?

Nobody is basing that on that one moment! He said he never wanted to play for us again. He has tried his heart out to get away for years.

He is completely and utterly disinterested in putting in any effort whatsoever.

And for years now, he had stunk up whatever place he has gone to.

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

To the guys who defends bendtner in that situation, have you ever played football yourself? Its not like its rocket science or you have to be RVP to be able to get a shot out of that, the way the ball came from Rosicky he could easily have let it bounced of his left heel/foot, turned and shot in a split second. He just took a lazy decision like he did the rest of the game.

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I am both fascinated and amused by how much discussion this one isolated action has aroused. :d

Forgive me for getting technical but I shall, as we are determined to discuss this to death. What a right footed play should do in that situation is roughly a 45 degree turn clockwise whilst stopping the ball with the inside of his right foot all in one motion which is probably the easiest way to both face the goal and control the ball. THEN shoot at goal. Least that's what a right footed player like myself who's left foot is merely for standing on would have done to both compensate for my lack of a left foot and take advantage of one of the very few chances coming my way all night.

I surmise that the ball just came quicker than Bendtner could effectively think and his instincts took over, which was with his back to goal to pass to the form player in league. Instincts are natural but they are developed with games which he hasn't had many of. The killer instinct with a striker mos def improves with games, which is not to excuse Nicklas (perish the thought) but I was certainly not alarmed when he passed the buck in that scenario.

I happen to believe Bendtner isn't worth a place in this squad (which was why I was one of the few against him starting in the first place) and I do think he is often lazy and has a poor attitude to boot but not necessarily based on this one action we are all discussing. I think it just shows in rather stark fashion that he isn't very good.

Giroud would have had a decent chance of scoring if he hit it first time with his left in the same situation....but not if he tried to control it and then score imo.

I have thought all season that our forward options as a whole, are needlessly poor, ill considered and just not of the standard we need....but hey I have come over here form ahfc, so don't exactly want to wear everybody down with this all season long.

Nah, you let it bounce of the inside of your left foot, kind of between your legs and shoot with the outside of your right foot, there's not much to it :)

You've been reading Dennis Bergkamp's book hey, lol....

Someone like Suarez would have burried it or at least commited the defender got a peno/a man sent off. Bendtner is so far from world clas he cannot be seen.

Too late to get Suarez now as Liverpool look like challenging + Real madrid seem to be strongly linked with him, not ot mention the fact that we were told to eff off last time we bid.

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

I am both fascinated and amused by how much discussion this one isolated action has aroused. :d

Forgive me for getting technical but I shall, as we are determined to discuss this to death. What a right footed play should do in that situation is roughly a 45 degree turn clockwise whilst stopping the ball with the inside of his right foot all in one motion which is probably the easiest way to both face the goal and control the ball. THEN shoot at goal. Least that's what a right footed player like myself who's left foot is merely for standing on would have done to both compensate for my lack of a left foot and take advantage of one of the very few chances coming my way all night.

I surmise that the ball just came quicker than Bendtner could effectively think and his instincts took over, which was with his back to goal to pass to the form player in league. Instincts are natural but they are developed with games which he hasn't had many of. The killer instinct with a striker mos def improves with games, which is not to excuse Nicklas (perish the thought) but I was certainly not alarmed when he passed the buck in that scenario.

I happen to believe Bendtner isn't worth a place in this squad (which was why I was one of the few against him starting in the first place) and I do think he is often lazy and has a poor attitude to boot but not necessarily based on this one action we are all discussing. I think it just shows in rather stark fashion that he isn't very good.

Giroud would have had a decent chance of scoring if he hit it first time with his left in the same situation....but not if he tried to control it and then score imo.

I have thought all season that our forward options as a whole, are needlessly poor, ill considered and just not of the standard we need....but hey I have come over here form ahfc, so don't exactly want to wear everybody down with this all season long.

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Thanks for that. You seem to get what I'm trying to put across.

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Originally Posted by Steve French

From that one moment?

Nobody is basing that on that one moment! He said he never wanted to play for us again. He has tried his heart out to get away for years.

He is completely and utterly disinterested in putting in any effort whatsoever.

And for years now, he had stunk up whatever place he has gone to.

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Now why in the world would he purposely screw that chance up if he knows scoring goals is his ticket out of here?

Suarez is world class, but he's a scumbag as well wouldn't want him here.

Bendnter isn't world class, hasn't played much, is clearly low on confidence (something you couldn't accuse him of in the past) and knows he's not really wanted here, hardly a recipe for success.

Really only one man to blame, the manager, he should have made sure he bought a striker in the summer.

Bendtner's hated here, we get it but in the situation he's in it's hard to see us getting much out of him unless his confidence increases and he starts scoring goals which will probably require him playing more games.

So he wanted to leave, big deal, can't blame him if he was stuck behind Chamakh to be honest, I'd want to leave too if I was stuck behind that donkey. Plenty of players have wanted to leave in the past after all.

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Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice

You've been reading Dennis Bergkamp's book hey, lol....

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Haha no i havent, but he (and Laudrup) had a huge impact on my playing style growing up, was quite succesful at it aswell, until i fucked up my knee and havent been able to play since.

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

Haha no i havent, but he (and Laudrup) had a huge impact on my playing style growing up, was quite succesful at it aswell, until i fucked up my knee and havent been able to play since.

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:console:

I always played as a full back, wasn't that good with the ball, dribbling wise, but was fast enough to get up and down the pitch to put a cross in/defend. Haven't played a proper game in 3 years or so since I left school/sixth form.

As much as i am loathe to take on board anything Alan Hansen says i have to conceed he has a point about how we shoot ourselves in the foot from corners......our first choice back four is in my opinion very strong but we are doing them no favours when we force corners and leave too many forward and then end up conceeding goals from being caught in possession too high up the pitch. Yes Jenkinson had an absolute stinker and hasn't played well in my opinion since Sagna came back into the side last year (only game i can think of where he played well in that time was the away game in Munich).
It seems bizarre that we committ so many forward especially considering we aren't paritcurlarly effective at offensive set pieces to begin with, and despite the fact that the Arteta sending off wasn't even a foul (well it was a foul but it was a foul on him not by him) but should not have been put in that position to begin with.
Our tactical set up on the pitch is pretty much if not perfect getting better, we don't see our back four caught out with long balls or caught square anywhere near as much....despite the fact that Mertesacker gets so criticised by the pundits he is far and above one of the best defenders we have had in years at defending set pieces.
I still think we either need to look to our academy or to the transfer market for a defensive midfielder for the future considering both Flamini and Arteta are not exactly young and could be both injury prone.

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Originally Posted by AFC Leveller

Someone like Suarez would have burried it or at least commited the defender got a peno/a man sent off. Bendtner is so far from world clas he cannot be seen.

Too late to get Suarez now as Liverpool look like challenging + Real madrid seem to be strongly linked with him, not ot mention the fact that we were told to eff off last time we bid.

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Mate, Remy or Lambert would have put that away.

And why werent we in for Negredo at 16 million?

Gets away with murder this Wenger.

A young sprightly bunch aren't you!

I haven't played 11 aside in a few years but play five aside. I've trained with semi pro teams and I can tell you the main difference between a pro and one of us in here (although there could be pro's amongst you!) is first touch, generally speaking.

At this level though, simply having a decent first touch isn't enough....

http://i.imgur.com/sErjXi3.gif

Speaking of your boy Remy, Leveller..... he's not doing too badly! I would have liked him over the Arse!

Not sure why we didn't move for him. I guess Wenger will try Pod and Theo up front when they're fit.

‏@paddypower : One positive to come from yesterday for Arsenal fans. There are now only 243 days before Nicklas Bendtner's contract expires.

Fuck off already Please :(

I wasn't overly surprised we lost yesterday, Chelsea's depth is ridiculous.

One thing I will say is that Arsene absolutely has to address our lack of quality (Giroud aside) and depth upfront.

If he doesn't bring in at least one more body in the January Window then the season is on his head. It's been stated already, but Bendtner shouldn't even be factored into this seasons squad or Park for that matter. Arsene has made a right pigs ear of the striker situation and it needs sorting out fast.

We never looked like scoring yesterday, Chelsea were so comfortable it was unreal! Whenever we did break we stopped and let them get all 11 men behind the ball it was so frustrating! At 0-1 I said to my friend who I took to the game it would be 0-2, I thought they'd hit us on the counter with the sucker punch but nope, they didn't need to break sweat to get the 2nd.

Also why the fuck did glory hunters have a qauter of the stadium!?!? I understand it for an FA cup game, not a sodding league cup one!

It was a wierd selection yesterday - when I saw the midfield I was pleasently suprised but then I saw Bendtner & Miyachi in attack, game over. The only positive for me is that at least Bendtner, Miyachi & Jenkinson proved they are not Arsenal players last night & even arrogant Wumger had to see it yesterday. Can you inagine if we'd drawn 2-2 with two goals fro Bendtner but then when out in X-time or pens. Wumger would have offered the prick a new contract. If you going to play with two attackers who are Div 1 players at best then its totally unfair on the rest of the team & we may as well have played a 2nd string midfield. For those arguing about Bendtner infront of goal, he's not worth your typing effort.

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Originally Posted by Munchies

‏@paddypower : One positive to come from yesterday for Arsenal fans. There are now only 243 days before Nicklas Bendtner's contract expires.

Fuck off already Please :(

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Last game for Arsenal? (again)

Adzz :hug:

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Originally Posted by Dein-machine

It was a wierd selection yesterday - when I saw the midfield I was pleasently suprised but then I saw Bendtner & Miyachi in attack, game over. The only positive for me is that at least Bendtner, Miyachi & Jenkinson proved they are not Arsenal players last night & even arrogant Wumger had to see it yesterday. Can you inagine if we'd drawn 2-2 with two goals fro Bendtner but then when out in X-time or pens. Wumger would have offered the prick a new contract. If you going to play with two attackers who are Div 1 players at best then its totally unfair on the rest of the team & we may as well have played a 2nd string midfield. For those arguing about Bendtner infront of goal, he's not worth your typing effort.

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I don't get that. Surely we need Bendy, Ryo and Jenkinson to play well so they can provide some cover for the 1st team?

Blink, he is a very very good player. We need a left sided attacker and he fits the bill. Scored 5 goals in 8 games already and always looks dangerous.

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Originally Posted by JonasTC

Haha no i havent, but he (and Laudrup) had a huge impact on my playing style growing up, was quite succesful at it aswell, until i fucked up my knee and havent been able to play since.

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When I was younger there was this kid who would pretend to be Hoddle and I would kick him as often as I could (fairly of course).

As for Bendtner, just fucking hit it you twat.