Straight back into the routine. Let's wait and see if year 14 is the charm, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
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Straight back into the routine. Let's wait and see if year 14 is the charm, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Well, yes :shrug:. What is the other option?Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I don't think it will be "our year" next season either and I don't want Wenger to be our manager next year. But he will be. Nothing you post on here will change that.
Whining about every rumour, every signing, every transfer saga all summer. What does that add to either this place or the campaign (such as it is) to get Wenger out?
Is it not more productive to objectively look at players we're linked with, discuss how they'd fit into the team, or wouldn't, or whatever.
This place isn't loads of fun any more at the best of times. Constant whining - even when nothing has actually happened - adds nothing.
That's YOUR response to the situation. Fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
But other people see it differently and they are equally entitled to their opinion. Opinions you can disagree with, also fine. But you don't. You post up snide comments. Why is it "whining" for any Arsenal fan to be pissed off with the situation at this club?
It isn't whining for people to be pissed off with the situation at the club. But it's whining to be whining about everything that happens. Everything that doesn't happen. Every rumour about a player we're linked with.
Does it make the slightest bit of difference to whether Wenger stays or goes? What does it add either to debate on here or the place being fun?
Why is it whining tobe underwhelmed by the kind of players we're being linked with and of course our supposed signings so far, a free full back (again few know anything about) and some kid from some minor league.
It's not like this is all BS either, we've seen the kind of players we sign, rarely are they proven or top class, so these players are feasible signings for us, we won't be seeing any top quality players through the door because the fact is we're cheap and Wenger loves nothing more than a pet project.
If our transfer history wasn't so obviouly skewed towards certain types of players then fine, but it is, we're always on the lookout for some project or bargains OR we leave it till the very last minute (how ridiculous is that BTW when we're already well into the new season) and then panic buy, why can't we be like a proper club and just sign the players we need at the going rate just like everyone else?
Sick of this rubbish to be honest and now we're lumbered with this for yet another two years, so yes I am going to complain when things are not to my liking and when we're linked to players I don't want to see here and who I don't feel will bring anything we need.
Why isn't political debate fun? Why isn't religious debate fun? Why isn't Apple vs Microsoft fan boy debate fun? Why isn't "my favourite pop singer" debate fun? Why isn't it all reasonable and rational and carefully crafted to avoid potential offence and distress?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Football forum. Football fans. Different people, different views, tribalism, emotion. What do you expect? Oxford debating rules? Have you seen how boring those cunts are, btw?
I just find it all la bit draining. Nothing is looked at objectively. No, I don't expect this to be high quality intellectual debate but there is a bit of a middle ground. Isn't there?
What's the middle ground exactly? Everything about the club is a joke at the moment, there's literally no part of it you can respect, we don't do anything the right way, which is ironic considering for years we were talking the morally superior angle, truth is we're everything that is wrong with football today and pound for pound from the fans point of view one if not the worst clubs in football today, a club where the fans put everything in and get nothing back but a kick in the teeth.
That's the problem. In competition there is no middle ground. There is no reasonable, no rational. There's winning and losing. Do you not see the way fans scream and lose control when their team scores a goal? Do you not see how that is intensified ten fold if the goal comes in the last minute, to win the game? Do you not see how it is one hundred times the passion and emotion if a trophy is on the line? That's what it's about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
And when some fuck comes along and says it's all about sustainability and accounting and balance sheets and profit and all of that will be promoted at the expense of the other thing, well fans get fundamentally fucked off. And all that passion and irrationality and emotion gets directed elsewhere.
This is human nature you are seeking to neutralise and organise. Like our modern politics. A politically correct wasteland. Human shells, schooled and practised in the discipline of saying nothing at all and, eventually, thinking nothing at all. Makes for a nice calm environment, like a drugged up retirement home. But it's not football.
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Originally Posted by Özim
We have literally just won the FA Cup, our 3rd in 4 years. So no, not really. We surely can't be doing EVERYTHING wrong. It's 3 more trophies than Spurs have won in that time.
Where we are failing is to compete in the biggest competitions which, with our resources isn't good enough.
My hope for this summer is that they surely realise that we have to sign some more proper quality and keep most of the the squad we have together. If they let Sanchez or Ozil and/or don't sign some proper quality then it will be another frustrating season next year. But the season has barely finished, even I didn't want Wenger to stay but he has and there's nothing we can do about that so let's at least see what he's going to do in the transfer window this year. All clubs sign nothing players as well as bigger ones in every transfer window, that is not something unique to Arsenal. If that's all we do then I'll be facepalming too but the transfer window has barely opened yet.
Wait and see?
What else can we do? :shrug:
Good job all. Let it all out now because GW won’t survive another 2 years. :rose:
Let's not forget this is the very cup Wenger devalued by fielding weakened teams, it's a nice cup to parade around but it's not what it use to be thanks in no small part to Wenger. Great game and very good performance but quite frankly it's just glossing over the cracks, we've failed this season in spectacular fashion and a 2nd tier trophy no top club is really that concerned about at the start of the season isn't going to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I find it ironic that Wenger is celebrating the cup as if it's the holy grail when he placed little or no value on it a few years back, you can't have it both ways.
I don't have any hope for the summer, Wenger is in charge, he's proved he never learns, never changes and we're already seeing from that free transfer and this kid from Belgium that nothing has changed, we're still behaving the same way, fine it may be the start of the summer but the fact is we do it every summer and Wenger has at no point shown any indication he's willing to change, in fact quite the opposite, he's saying we don't need to change and that everyone else are morons who don't know anything essentially.
Don't be fooled, nothing has changed and nothing will until the day Wenger is no longer here, we'll be talking about the same thing at the end of the window, at the end of the season, the same failures and about the collapses and trashings, this is proven, if it hasn't changed in 12+ years it won't change now.
Wait. You think Wenger has devalued it? You really do reach to find things to blame him for, you'll be blaming him for the housing crisis next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
You're giving Wenger far too much "credit" if you think he is responsible for devaluing it, even partly. Even if it was him who started to field weakened teams (was he?), that doesn't mean other teams had to follow suit.
The competition has been devalued generally because of the rise of the CL, nothing to do with Wenger.
All the bigger clubs field weakened teams now. Actually even Southampton did against us this season. These days all the PL clubs have pretty big squads and use them to prioritise accordingly. But if "no top club" is concerned about it then it's funny that top clubs keep winning it. Wigan and Portsmouth were rare exceptions, every other year going back 30 years it's a top club winning it. It's not the top priority for the biggest clubs and should not be the limit of our ambitions but it's still a pretty big deal.
How is he celebrating the Cup as if it's the Holy Grail? He was celebrating, all the players were celebrating too. Bit embarrassing if they'd been doing that for the Emirates Cup but the FA Cup is still the biggest domestic cup in football.
It doesn't paper over the cracks at all, it's nice to finish a bad season with a trophy, nice to regain the club record and I'm pleased for Wenger that he now holds the individual record. But the failure in the CL and PL is damning. It would have been a good time for him to leave and I wish he had but he didn't and there's nothing we can do about that. I don't have that much hope for the summer either but let's wait and see what happens. What else can we do? As I said in every season every club makes a mix of signings in the transfer window, some big, some not. So no, the current activity, or lack thereof, doesn't show anything.
Even if we agree that things are likely to be the same this transfer window and therefore next season, what exactly are we supposed to do about that?
I didn't say he was the only one, but he certainly played his part, so to be hailed as a great achievement after all that is a bit rich for me, nice cup win but that's all,, certainly not enough to get him a new contract at other big clubs. I also said at the beginning of the season it isn't a priority for big clubs, they'd happily sacrifice the FA Cup if it meant they had a better chance of winning the other trophies that much is clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
It does to some extent, had he lost he'd have been under far more scrutiny, I think the cup win made it easy to sign the new contract and some people whilst revelling in the cup win maybe didn't feel as bad about signing on after all, the fact is this season is a failure, even by Wengers own criteria because the FA cup (this conveniently seems to have changed now) it's a failure as he hasn't achieved his primary goal of qualifying for the CL.
I don't trust him, I'd go as far as saying he's incompetent in the transfer market, last summer he spent what around 100 million on a player he hardly played, a relatively low profile CB he had to overpay fordue to the fact he left his dealings so late (who hasn't been great lets be honest) and a relatively low profile midfielder who can't tackle to fill the DM role (odd choice) who again hasn't really worked out thus far.
That money could have been spent so much better, trouble is he always wants to be the person to discover the talent and that rarely happens nowadays and whats more we're paying a lot of mney for that privilege now, whilst many of his previous buys were also rubbish at leas thtey didn't cost the earth. If you're going to spend a lot of money, spend it on someone established at least.
So yeah, we know what we're going to get with him, either cheap buys or players that noone would have realistically identified as logical signings, oh and a trasnfer winddow that drags on until the final few minutes of it being open, no real excitement, no buzz, it's all dull, repetitive and predictable like the man himself.
He must be the only one who can't see how boring he's made things for the fans now, he seems to see some sort of magical football and players who are 50 times better than they appear to everyone else, he even had the audacity to cite mental strength and spirit at the tail end of the season, this despite another collapse on a monumental scale when we were still in with a chance of winning something meaningful.....when it matters the team has neither of the qualities he claims it has.
Aubameyang joining PSG for 61mill.
Serious clubs getting their business done quickly. Good news for us. The quicker they move the sooner we'll be able to see what's been left on the shelf and in the bin and take our pick.
Not true, we're signing the young Henry.
I forgot about that. I meant apart from signing Mbappe.Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
Wenger has a fresh take on this:
I hope this isn't a massive change just for the sake of change. We need to be careful what we wish for.Quote:
We will work very hard to find the additions of top, top quality. I believe that our squad is very strong and we will only look for top-class people who can strengthen our team now. The basis is there so we need the additions who will make a real difference.
He says the same thing every year. 'We are only one or two players away!'. He bought Xhaka, Mustafi and Perez for about £80 million and we were even worse than last year. We regressed after spending 80 fucking million pounds!
The players we buy are irrelevant. We won't amount to anything with this idiot in charge.
Yeah but they're not available honest!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
We're never going to buy players like this, we don't put bids in, aren't willing to pay the price and prefer to do our business at the end of the transfer window when mostly players that nobody wants or players that we have to overpay for are available.
PSG want to be the best, we just want to be the best of the rest.
Very true but he also spends the money on sh*t players, this compounds the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Get your priorities straight. Our first signing isn't supposed to be one of the best strikers in the world. Our first target is supposed to be a random Japanese/Korean/Chinese player who will only play in pre-season to maximise our revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
What happened to that Japanese kid we signed last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
He's locked in a cupboard until the next Japan tour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
They locked him Inamoto homeQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
:haha: :haha:
On loan in the German 2nd division. Didn't do much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
German 2 divisionQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
We should play him with sanogo in a 442Quote:
Originally Posted by GP
It might help if you stop whining about whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Did I just read that the guy who is the most successful FA Cup manager in its 145 year history is the guy who devalued it? :confused:
You should shut your mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicks and chicks
You're confused at the fact he was one of those who devalued the competition by playing weakened teams and effectively branding it a 2nd tier competition, I don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
As for being the most successful, well yes but he's been managing at one club for 20 odd years, not many other managers have done this, so it's no surprise he's the most successful tbh. Everything needs some context.
How is it no surprise he is the most successful? What does managing one club have to do with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
The only thing confusing is your logic.
Wenger saying 4th place is more important than the FA Cup helped devalue the cup. There is no denying some on here agreed with him when he said that.
Most other top managers have managed abroad so they've not spent 20 years in the PL, pretty simple really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
Add to that the fact this cup is no longer high priority for the big clubs.
Spot on, nice to get a trophy and all that but we don't need to pretend the FA Cup is what it use to be back in the days when we won the double, 15 years ago no top club would dream of playing a weakened side in the FA Cup, now it happens all the way until the semi finals (and sometimes even then when they have a CL or big league game).Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
The record of who has won it suggests otherwise. You said it is no surprise Wenger won it so often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Given what you have said about him, it should be more surprising than when Surprisey McSurpriseface leapt out of the Surprise cake at his brother Supersurprise's surprise birthday party at number 7 Surprise Street, Surpriseville.
#ZimLogic ™Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall Quinn
Do not adjust your brain. Keep arms and legs inside the car.
Purely financially it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur
The cup was devalued long before Wenger made that statement though. I think Man United as holders dropping out of it to play in the intercontinental cup did that.
In the words of Brian Clough "I hope they all get bloody diarroeah"