I doubt the current board will however sack Wenger, they dont care.Quote:
I hope people remember this is the same reason why Wenger was sacked at Monaco. Selling your best players and not replacing them.
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I doubt the current board will however sack Wenger, they dont care.Quote:
I hope people remember this is the same reason why Wenger was sacked at Monaco. Selling your best players and not replacing them.
Jenkinson got caught out a number of times tbh, gave away two freekicks and got sent off. Walcott scores and provides a pentality... GW blames theo walcott for our defeat.
You can't expect our wide strikers to cover when we're chasing a game, that's fucking retarded blinkered bollocks. If you need a hate figure, blame Djourou, was at fault for almost everything today.
they'd have to, even if for selfish reasons, as the current situation is not improving the brand image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchies
Fuck.
Jenkinson is not at fault, its Wenger. Why the fuck would you bring a League 1 player right into the thick of it, he's not ready yet ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
x8?Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
They certainly targetted Jenkinson as a weak link and exposed him several times.
It's not fair on him and other kids. How the hell can you expect to compete having to rely on players like this. At least give them a fighting chance with some experience around them. ie Welbeck and Cleverley.
Jenkinson was exposed and isolated because Djourou is a shit defender and Walcott can't be bothered to defend at all. Djourou I have no idea what's up with him, maybe Wenger bollocked him for being so effective in the early part of last season and he's learned his lesson. Walcott? Unfortunately Waddle (spit) is right about him. Theo is braindead. Which is why he's so effective when he has no time to think. When he tries to think it uses so much energy his body starts shutting down. His training regime should be chasing a hare around a greyhound track, nothing more, nothing less. Then hoof the fucking ball over the top and tell him he'll get a biscuit it he can knock it in the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
I'm not that virile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
But the reason Jenkinson got caught out time and time again was because he was exposed by the guy who was supposed to be covering him - the so-called senior player Walcott, who should have had the nous to see that when Jenkinson bombs forward, he needs to track back.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
I don't think anyone is blaming Walcott for the defeat, but we are pointing out his obvious flaws in a game where work rate and defensive discipline were always going to be at a premium.
This is 100% spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I guess Sacking Wenger has always been on their list. Nobody can tell me they didn't know what was going to be the result of the lack of investment on the pitch. These aren't clever men, but they are cunning and devious like rats. They've been letting Wenger take all the flak for a long time but even that's wearing thin now and people are starting to prod their rock with a view to lifting it. Sacking Wenger should buy them more time. It might not be as much time as they hope though. They'll have to find an absolute yes man first. Cheeky bid for Avram Grant?Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
on whether he has had a worst game as manager of Arsenal…
You don’t think like that after a game like this. It is terribly painful but you do not compare your pain. You have pain and that is it. I feel it was under very special circumstances. We have played three games in the Premier League and two Champions League games. It is not a time to make a balance of the whole season.
Of course it hurts, it’s humiliating, but you could see that we had not recovered physically in the second half from Wednesday night. We were short in some areas, that is for sure. They have class and they punished us. It was 3-1 at half-time and I think that was harsh against us. We missed a penalty, we had a chance to get back to 3-2. We tried desperately to get back but we opened ourselves up and were punished. Their finishing was great today.
on planning for reinforcements…
I am very open if we can find the right players. We have the money to sign players. If we find players who can strengthen our team then we will do it. But I am not the only one to work on the case, we have 20 people who are working on that. If we do not do it, it is because we don’t find them. We have plenty of players out today, too many players missing. We do not have the squad to compete when we have this many players out. At the moment, we have not found the solutions to our problems outside. When you look at today, you cannot predict how many players we have out. We did not expect to have Wilshere out, Diaby out, Gervinho out, Vermaelen out and Gibbs out.
on the wage structure at the Club…
It is difficult to find excuses after a game like that. Wages-wise, of course we are behind the other teams.
on whether he is close to bringing anyone in…
We are close to signing a striker at the moment but we are still looking for a midfielder and a defender.
on whether there is truth in links with a move with Mikel Arteta…
No.
on whether experience is needed…
Yes but it is difficult when you lose 8-2. It is better when you don’t talk as much but it hurts and it looks like you are looking for excuses. We have to sort out our problems that we have in the squad.
on criticism directed at him…
I am in a public job and I have to accept that. I try to make the right decisions for the Club and I will continue to do that. The players we have sold are players I brought to the Club. If you look at the 15 years I have been at the Club, I have brought in some good players. We have played three games in the Premier League, give me more time before saying that I have got it completely wrong. There were patches in the game where we had quality. I feel we collapsed physically more than anything else today
Can someone tell me if it's a fact that wenger earns a share of the profits he earns for the club? I know that there have been quotes of him saying "I am paid handsomely because I make
Arsenal a lot of money", but is it clear that he earns a share of profits?
Genuine question.
Vs Liverpool, he did exactly what you said he should have been doing all match and got panned for lack of potency in front of goal. Today he pushes higher (probably due to instruction) to provide more of a threat, scores and gets panned for not babysitting jenkinson who should really have been covered in these situations by Ramsey or Coq. But whatever, certain players will be vilified no matter what here.Quote:
Originally Posted by RomfordPele
How can 20 people be working on it and not find anyone? One of them knows how to use Football Manager surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edinburgh Gooner
That quote ""I am paid handsomely because I make Arsenal a lot of money" sums things up at the minute. If we're paying Wenger to make the club a lot of profit, what sort of incentive is that to win trophies? Especially given that these days clubs can make a lot of money by simply qualifying for the UCL, which is such a cash cow. All Wenger has to do is the bare minimum to get us into the top 4, maintain a reasonable standard of football so the gate receipts keeps flowing, and he'll get a slap on the back and be told he's doing a good job. Ferguson said that he wouldn't be in a job if he'd gone 6 years without a trophy, and therein lies the difference between the two clubs. Man Utd are a business, but the football side of things still has importance, while at Arsenal football is barely a consideration for the owners it seems.
Dunno, nobody tells the fans anything. But it would be a bit murky if he was on profit share, don't think it would help his cause if that came to light and it would implicate the board in so many unpleasant ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FUdb...layer_embedded
Cascarino. :doh:
20 people working on finding new signings.
Lol.
Sack them all.
Their still in a waiting period these invisible peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
If it is clear that Wenger takes home a share of the profits then the OFT or some regulatory body should be looking into it. It is a clear conflict of interests and it's very possible that the fans are being shafted (as we suspect).Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
Actually, even if it is not clear it should be looked into. We should have the right to know what is happening to the money.
Rofl thanks for that. 1st smile I've cracked today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
If they're sh*t they will be yes...and he was....almost totally anonymous, except for a dive and two very tame shots one that went wide and the other that trickled through the keepers legs. He also gave a penalty away and didn't bother too much with working for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
That doesn't make a good performance, it makes for a poor performance with some luck :coffee:
Nah, he got panned against Liverpool because he stunk the place out. It was nothing to do with tracking back (actually I didn't think he did much of that then either), he just gave the ball away whenever he got hold of it and messed up some promising situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBapologist
If we're stupid enough to play 4-3-3 against United (another issue altogether) then you really have to expect your right winger to do a bit of defending and to put it about a bit in midfield. Neither Arshavin or Walcott are capable or willing to do that. This isn't about villifying players, it's just stating the obvious: there's not much value in scoring two goals if your team concedes eight, is there?
The trouble with what you just said is the first part sounds very true and the second plausible. Well may not be Avram Grant though but.. The safe path for us is to have a go at the board and have them resposnibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
About the game I will talk about the positives 1. Francis Coquelin 2. Arshavin had a little bit fight in him not seen for god knows how long.3. The team kept going for a while despite being down which is up form the past few seasons
The negatives
1. Too many induvidual mistakes from the back 4. Difficult to put a finger on Koscielny though
2. Wonder why Chesney didnt have anyone else covering one side of the post for the set pieces
3. The team was too direct and open
Yeah the problem is Walcott is extremely limited as a footballer. He's a one trick pony but the thing is that "one trick" can be extremely effective. I'd like see a bit more of Chamberlain, because I'm told he's a more all round footballer than Theo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Good grief. The politically correct mobsters never miss a trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
He's...having a Holocaust?! :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by McNamara That Ghost...
That well known phrase or saying.
What a dick.
To all those kids going back to school and meeting their Manc supporting friends :pal:
This is maybe about mindlessly getting 100% behind the team, even if they end up getting stuffed every week, and religiously showing nothing but total contempt for the senior club officials.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunsofashburtongrove
Yeah, it's Cascarino, the well known anti-Semite. The bimbo can't figure out that by making such a fuss SHE's the one causing the potential offence. Cascarino may be dumb but not half as dumb or mind controlled as the bimbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA [email
Well the only thing that we could be proud of today was the away fans who defied the theory that we aren't passionate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Not entirely. Its just letting the officials know that we are not happy and forcing them to make a responsible decision. I'am not saying we should oppose everything that the board does or say. just put the pressure on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
The fans were brilliant tonightQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping
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Originally Posted by Syn
He says he owns no shares and, for the reasons stated (conflict of interests) it's reasonable to assume no profit related pay either.Quote:
The 60-year-old said: "No, I do not own any shares because I felt always that I [must] try to do the job with a good work ethic and not to be accused of any decision being of my personal interest.
"I thought always it`s healthier not to be involved in it at all. So I cannot be accused that whatever decision I make looks after my own interest."
Nor would you expect him to be.
Can't remember whether he's on performance related pay.
Doubt they'll give a shit about mild or orderly objections. Would you if you'd just been handed £100mill and could walk and sit on a beach? Their gravy train arrived already. But maybe they are so vain, if the hostility reaches a certainly intensity (very high I predict) they will bend a little to placate the plebs and save unnecessary embarrassment at dinner parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunsofashburtongrove
Interesting, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
One of the cruxes of the matter. Simply signing a defender and midfielder or two won't sort this, it is a team mentality that needs to change on the training pitch. Wenger's attact attack attack mentality has been exposed for years, he hasn't got the basics and the balance right. And I'm not sure he can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
This is one of the biggest reasons why we need a new manager. He inherited a superb Graham defence. He supplemented it with strong, physical, athletic players well suited for the premiership e.g. Viera, Petit, Toure, Lauren, Sol Campbell etc.
And then he totally changed and tried to be like Barcelona, building a team around a playmaker instead of a box to box midfielder who was as good in defence as attack, going for a pass pass pass philosophy and abandoning defensive organisation all over the pitch.
He can't correct this, its too big for him. I'm not sure he fully understands the problem, or even if he does he is either unable or too stubborn to change it. He needs to go. And so do the joke of a board who will still be smoking their Cuban cigars and counting the cash regardless of this embarrassing result.
I'am not talking about the nice mild agitation sorts. I agree that it has to be high intensity, how ever the rants and jeers have to be directed at the board and not anyone else. If they think its because Wenger is not doing a Job its for them to make a decision. If the fans shout for a change in manager its easy for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn