Yep, he'd be facing the sack pretty much everywhere else, well at least at a top club anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
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Yep, he'd be facing the sack pretty much everywhere else, well at least at a top club anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
That record really is pathetic.
Almost as bad as LLLLDDLDWLLWDLDWWDLWLDDDLQuote:
Originally Posted by LDG
...that was thoroughly enjoyable though.
:whistle:
I enjoyed that season. It was the best.
Was that 1892/1893?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
Good days tbf.
As much at the 8-2 result hurt might have been a blessing in disguise who know if we would have made the signings we did if we hadn't...
Yeah, we might not have got Benayoun on loan had it not been for that result.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
Just goes to show how stubborn the manager is. It shouldn't take all that and I'm not even sure if Wenger even gave his approval for the players we signed. It really is worrying but hopefully, the worst is over and we won't sink to new depths.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
Maybe Bastien was all ready to sign on the dotted line, but skipped the country at the full time whistle at OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...so-broken.htmlQuote:
THERE was a scene in the aftermath at Ewood Park that would have struck fear into even Arsene Wenger's most ardent admirers.
A sight far more worrying than watching his Arsenal side ship four goals to Blackburn.
It was the demeanour of the man himself — and it was alarming. His 6ft 4in frame was stooped, his head bowed, his eyes had lost all sparkle.
He didn't just look a beaten man — he looked beaten up.
It's a sad moment that comes to all of us in life, a time when we know our best days are gone.
But that awful dawning of realisation is never more painful than to a sportsman who once bathed in glory.
You can become your own worst enemy with that stubborn refusal to accept the inevitable.
As Wenger stood in that Blackburn corridor on Saturday afternoon he appeared to be a man in need of a good friend and good guidance.
As someone who's known the Frenchman since he first arrived at Arsenal in 1996 it was sobering.
There are few, if any, better, more honourable men in the game. Few who have been more successful. But he is in danger of becoming a figure of fun.
He tries to exert calm and control, tries to push the positives. And you want to believe him — but you can't.
Maybe he doesn't believe it himself these days. For every upbeat phrase, he qualifies it in the next breath.
He kicked off saying: "There were a lot of positives from this game. We dominated, we created chances away from home and that's not easy."
All true. Arsenal scored three goals, created numerous openings, and should have had a penalty.
But the negatives — conceding four to Blackburn including two own goals and defending like novices — far outweigh them and Wenger accepted as much.
He added: "You cannot say you are not worried when you see the performance we put in. It's not defensively solid enough. We didn't have many weak moments but every time we had one, we paid for it.
"We also scored two own goals and that is unusual."
Again all true — but what evidence is there that it's going to change? "It is important that we get our confidence back quickly."
Yes but how?
"We must focus on our next game, win our next game."
I'm sorry but beating Shrewsbury in the Carling Cup won't fool anyone.
Wenger needs some big wins — and quick — for this is a real crisis. A narrow 1-0 win over Swansea and a goalless draw at Newcastle have been dwarfed by defeats to Manchester United, Liverpool and now Blackburn.
It's Arsenal's worst start for 58 years and results yesterday could have plunged the Gunners into the bottom three.
Wenger admitted: "It's just not good enough and, of course, we are very frustrated. The spirit in the team is willing but if you look at the number of goals we have conceded it is just not good enough. I believe the group will take off but it is important we can get results."
That will be the clincher and Wenger knows his future is being openly debated.
"Speculation is part of modern life, there is nothing I can do about that. My future is focused on giving the best for the club."
The accusation, though, is he wasn't focused enough during the summer — being beaten to key signings like Phil Jones, Juan Mata and Romelu Lukaku.
Another criticism is that he unnecessarily prolonged the Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri sagas and was too slow and too conservative in replacing them. And that he stubbornly refused to bring in some wise, old heads — like maybe Brad Friedel, Scott Parker, Jonathan Woodgate, Peter Crouch — to help nurture this latest crop of Arsenal youngsters.
Maybe his hands were tied. Maybe there was no money to buy, or more likely a refusal to pay the salaries that go with high-profile arrivals.
So maybe it's American billionaire Stanley Kroenke and his sidekick Ivan Gazidis who are really the guilty men.
For the frustrating thing about Arsenal is that they say one thing and yet do another.
But at this rate it will be the greatest talent, the most valuable asset of Arsenal Football Club, who turns out to be the unfortunate fall-guy.
Too late
They can cut the bullshit. I've got no sympathy for the guy. He'a arrogant an embarrassed because he's been giving it large and now being made to look a fool.
That 'patience is a sign of intellgence' jab won't be forgotten and I've got no time for someone in his position that wants to wallow in self pity. Grow a pair of balls and start clipping te eat of so of these players before it's too late. Before he loses all respect from his players and they won't even respond to a good dressing down. No leader should be made to look so weak and pathetic in public and this sympathy appeal won't help us. If he wants to wallow in self pity, let him do it on someone else's watch. I don't want to hear any more shit from him about 'suffering'. He still has a job to do and if he can't do it, retire and call it quits.
Fucking Spot on the man gets 6 million a year like you said if he can no longer do the job time to move on and let someone else earn that money tbh. No symapthy from me either. Neither do i have for the players tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory
I feel sorry for the board. They sometimes get a minuscule amount of stick and considering all they've done for themselves it's not really fair they should have to put up with the odd criticism. I think we should continue to overlook them and focus all the blame for our current situation on Wenger.
and to add we must remember according to Jubba the Hut ops sorry i meant Peter Hill-Wood we are silly nobodiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I don't feel sorry for Wenger one bit. He's brought all this upon himself by being incredibly stubborn and arrogant, believing that his philosophy would eventually succeed, and that we didn't need to sign established top quality players to reach the next level. Now he's been found out, as his youth project has failed and he was forced into panic signings on the last day of the transfer window. Now he's trying to spin it, claiming he was always in control and that we're still in a good position to do well in the league. I'm sorry, but I've had enough of *******'s bullshit, he's lost the plot and has no idea how to halt the decline that is taking place at this club. All he can do is complain about financial doping, long throws, etc, but he won't accept responsibility for any of this. He assembled this shit squad, and yet all our problems are external in his opinion.
I won't also forget him complaining about the 50% tax rate, a rate that most fans won't be paying or ever likely to pay. That showed to me his priorities and why the board love him so much. Effectively, he's one of them.
i do feel sorry for Arsene, he is our greatest manager ever yet a lot of people would rather he never came here judging by the way people talk about him these days (not just on here btw) yes he is a flawed genius right now and does need to go i think but the way the media are talking about him, all lining up to have a go for anything is just wrong, he changed english football for the better. yes he says the wrong things and i am pissed off at him for the state of the team, but i do feel sorry for him because of what he has done for us to the way he is now.
Given the outlay on players since Wenger joined, there is very little chance we'd have enjoyed anything like the success this team experienced in the first half of his tenure. If the level of investment in the squad remains at current levels (xfer window profits), then it doesn't matter who the Manager is, we aint having a sniff of success.