Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

but surely work rate and strength are the two most important attributes for being able to beat players? :lol: you cant just pluck words out of nowhere and pretend they have no correlation to a certain attribute when they clearly do. if you'd said something like x doesnt have pace so that hinders his ability to beat players then id see your point, but you're basing your judgment on attributes he clearly has. then using those attributes in the wrong context.

and im not sure where adaptation comes into your theory because arguero has a good goal scoring ratio, just not as good as the one held by tevez. surely you're adaptation theory only comes into play if aguero was performing badly, thus him needing more time to adapt to the english game? it has little to do with the tevez vs aguero argument. in fact you're saying aguero will get better with age, which is surely acknowledging the fact that tevez is better right now, because as you say, aguero isnt at his peak?

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No I reckon dribbling is the most important thing to beat players, just look at Messi.

Again no, Tevez had time to adapt to English football, Aguero didn't yet he scored immediately...he's only going to get better now due to age and time getting use to the league, Tevez is not at his peak, it's as good as it gets for him he'll soon be on the decline.

Age plays a big part as players get better as they get closer and then reach their peak, time in a league also does as there's always a period of adaptation, it might be less apparent for some (like Aguero who was a hit in his 1st season) but there's still is some adjustment, you'll only get better after your first season or two in a league.

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

i don't know why you're going out of your way so much to prove that tevez is not all that when you think he's very good - you should have far more positives to say about someone so good but it doesn't seem that way.

maybe you think there is some sort of contest between aguero and tevez here but really there isn't. people think aguero is better. they also think tevez is excellent. that's it. tevez being so good doesn't detract from how good aguero is y'know.

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He's not my kind of player, I personally wouldn't sign him...I'd go for a player with more like Aguero or alternatively an out and out goalscorer like Huntelaar.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Like i said, i never said he would flop, not one of those quotes says that.

I never said i never said he would struggle.

End of the day if someone is going to accuse me, least do it word for word.

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Oh dear

Saying someone will struggle and not do any good here to most people would mean he'll flop

Or do you have to literally say something before we can prove it?

In that case, oh dear

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Originally Posted by Ach

Oh dear

Saying someone will struggle and not do any good here to most people would mean he'll flop

Or do you have to literally say something before we can prove it?

In that case, oh dear

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Spot on, he's scraping the barrel there

Charlie :rose:

Charlies melt down is complete

A shame. I like the dude. Woefully wrong about most things but entertainingly wrong and thats the best wrong to be

Hope he can come back from this and rise again from the Ashes and once again become the best poster GW has had

You spiteful bastards! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Ach

Just read the match thread and flicked through the pages on this thread

Shocking pessimism on here.

My thoughts on the day.

Great time, thoroughly enjoyed it, decent weather as well, fine looking lass not that far from me as well. It was indeed turning out to be an excellent day........then the match started

Fulham were excellent. Would have been harsh to lose that game to a non penalty that Dowd gave us. Ref had a decent game. Cant blame him for this. In a way and no doubt i'll have the clueless on my back for this but missing the penalty is for the greater good. If we had scored it and won the game, the papering over the cracks by Wenger and his sympathizers on here would have been immense. Now they dont have a leg to stand on.

As mentioned, Fulham were awlsome and i consider it a good point as we were up against a far superior team managed by a far superior manager. Yes its a shame and frustrating that we let go of a 2 goal lead but i would have taken a point at the start of the game so no complaints.

Mannone - Cant blame him any of the goals from what i saw

Defensively we were not so good. Mert is awesome but the other 3 and especially Kos, were bad. Plenty of Arsenal fans suffered heart attacks when the ball is near him.

Arteta for me was MOTM. He was excellent in the way he regularly created space and opportunities for Fulham. Think he made one mistake today when he was trying to play it out of defence and the ball ended up with Podolski who scored but other than that, he was brilliant for Fulham. Cheeky bid in january? Won a penalty for Fulham and made sure it stayed 3-3 at the end by psyching out the Arsenal taker

Cazorla - I hate being right :(

Coq looked very good so taking him off was exactly the right thing to do by Wenger. We cannot have players having good games.

Podolski scored. :bow: Always been a fan. Hes back. Anticipated Arteta trying to pass it out and intercepted the pass and scored.

Giroud, i have to thank him. He answered a very important question for me. After Theos 2 goals v Spuds last season, i questioned how posters can still critisise someone who has scored 2 goals in a match. Now i know. Arguably the worst striker in the business when the ball is at his feet but pretty awesome in the air although he did miss a sitter of a header at the end. And he bottled taking the penalty but unless he can take it with his head, i wouldnt have backed him to score. Case in point, his 2nd goal. One on one sitter missed, Theo as usual backs him up, chips it in and he scores the header

Theo - He is awesome. Truly loved by all true gooners. Our best player by a mile. Name sung by everyone and was having a great game and thus taken off to keep him fit for his sale in January.

Ramsey - Not good enough. End of the road for him

Arshavin - Has to start surely. He has been excellent in his cameos this season

Ox - Honeymoon period is dead. He needs to perform. One good performance in January v Mancs doesnt wash anymore. Hes been a flop

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Late as fuck, but just saw this :haha:

Ach :bow:

Top GW poster by a mile :bow:

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

No I reckon dribbling is the most important thing to beat players, just look at Messi.

Again no, Tevez had time to adapt to English football, Aguero didn't yet he scored immediately...he's only going to get better now due to age and time getting use to the league, Tevez is not at his peak, it's as good as it gets for him he'll soon be on the decline.

Age plays a big part as players get better as they get closer and then reach their peak, time in a league also does as there's always a period of adaptation, it might be less apparent for some (like Aguero who was a hit in his 1st season) but there's still is some adjustment, you'll only get better after your first season or two in a league.

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yes and what do you need to be able to dribble? have good strength and high work rate, right? which tevez has. so if tevez has them attributes then surely it means he's a good dribbler, which coincidently means he's able to beat players? so im not sure why you're saying he's not good at beating players :lol:

and im not denying you need time to get used to the english league but im not sure why you're using that as an argument to bolster aguero's career, because as i said, his goal scoring ratio is good. it would only make sense if aguero was performing poorly. it doesn't really make sense. in fact surely it hinders your argument? id put tevez's poor west ham record to playing in a shit, relegation doomed, west ham team. aguero came in and had the luxury of silva, yaya, de jong and tevez straight away. who did tevez have? marlon harewood? :lol:

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

yes and what do you need to be able to dribble? have good strength and high work rate, right? which tevez has. so if tevez has them attributes then surely it means he's a good dribbler, which coincidently means he's able to beat players? so im not sure why you're saying he's not good at beating players :lol:

and im not denying you need time to get used to the english league but im not sure why you're using that as an argument to bolster aguero's career, because as i said, his goal scoring ratio is good. it would only make sense if aguero was performing poorly. it doesn't really make sense. in fact surely it hinders your argument? id put tevez's poor west ham record to playing in a shit, relegation doomed, west ham team. aguero came in and had the luxury of silva, yaya, de jong and tevez straight away. who did tevez have? marlon harewood? :lol:

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Well no not really, there's been plenty of lazy players who can dribble and likewise strength......Messi isn't strong he's tiny, he's just incredibly skillful and well balanced, Hleb was weak as f*ck as well but could dribble. So again no.

Yes his ratio is good but that's pretty amazing considering his age and the fact it was his first season, it should only improve from here. Tevez went a long time without scoring much for West Ham, think he only scored goals right at the end, he wasn't that great for the most part (bar his work rate). His goal record has been very good for City and Man U, teams where he's had lots of good players around him so the same applies to both.

Point is Aguero will get better, Tevez won't.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Well no not really, there's been plenty of lazy players who can dribble and likewise strength......Messi isn't strong he's tiny, he's just incredibly skillful and well balanced, Hleb was weak as f*ck as well but could dribble. So again no.

Yes his ratio is good but that's pretty amazing considering his age and the fact it was his first season, it should only improve from here. Tevez went a long time without scoring much for West Ham, think he only scored goals right at the end, he wasn't that great for the most part (bar his work rate). His goal record has been very good for City and Man U, teams where he's had lots of good players around him so the same applies to both.

Point is Aguero will get better, Tevez won't.

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id say messi is strong, when was the last time you saw him get brushed off the ball? he's able to stand his ground well for someone his size. he's usually hacked down.

tevez at west ham had boa morte, etherington, zamora and hayden mullins. i think i can see why his goalscoring ratio was bad. but anyway, i just thought it was bizarre to call tevez 'overrated' and say aguero is 'far superior' even though his goalscoring ratio at city is better. maybe i need to have a glass of whiskey.