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All this Welbeck/Falcao value talk is premature. I hope he flops but only time will tell and we'll see how he performs for Manure. There is no exact science or formula to this. We can talk about the value to cost ratio, his age, the loan vs permanent or whatever else...it won't matter if he performs well and gets them back into the CL.
When a player leaves, a manager with any class says thanks for the service and good luck. This cunt has zero class, as is clearly evidenced. Plus he talks about standards. Well our standard is the Champion's League. What's theirs? And how would a twat like van Gall know anyway? He's dumped half the squad and resorted to a chequebook as his entire strategy (his laughable first attempt at managing the club having gone tits up. I've already noticed his tendency to take credit when things go well and pass the buck when they don't. Here he's using a young player to distract from his own glaring failures to date. What a joke the guy is, he comes lording it into the PL with his "genius" methods and his super fancy formations and promptly has his arse handed to him by all-comers, including the rout at the hands of the MK Dons. In blind panic he's started catapulting barrows of cash into the air. If he can't win with £400mill on the pitch then how bad is this cretin? What's his standard? Pretty fucking low so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Van Gaal has won everything in the game, he built an Ajax team who won the CL with players through their youth setup, so he's not really a chequebook manager, he's shown he can deliver with or without money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
That's besides the point however, most fans use to take the p*ss out of him and joked about him and the possibility of him coming here, because let's face it we all thought he was pretty average, that hasn't changed because we for some reason decided to buy him, Van Gaal was most likely asked why he sold him, his answer to that makes sense, he's not at the level of the others and doesn't score enough. Given the choice of Falcoa or Wellbeck you'd have to be nuts to choose Wellbeck, because like I said noone at our club rated him before we surprisingly signed him, people talked about players like Falcoa etc but never Wellbeck.
Is Wellbeck and upgrade on what we've got, well yes on Sangogo because the guy is dogshite, is he an upgrade on Giroud, Campbell or Podolski, not really. He wouldn't have been my choice for a forward signing, he wouldn't have even ever entered my mind, realistically we needed to replace RVP not sign another young player several levels below him who will take time to come good if he ever does, based on some idea that he might be another Sturridge.
Sturridge was a rare example of a player who came good after a move and scored lots of goal (think he showed flashes before Liverpool though), I'm not holding my breath for Wellbeck to become Sturridge mark 2, he could just as easily become Heskey mark 2 if you wanted to draw parallels.
Henry scored 23 goals in 121 games before joining us and he turned out ok. Ozim would have complained about that signing too.
Zim, the actual point is this - bosses with an ounce of class thank you for your service and wish you luck when you leave. They don't turn up at your leaving do and call you a cunt, do they? It's small and miserable to try to deflect the disquiet of the fans and mask an underwhelming start by taking a potshot at Welbeck on his way out, a kid who grew up at the club. Utd fans know this too - at least the ones who aren't a petroleum based product.
In a one off match, true. Over the course of a single season, maybe. We'll see how the injuries go. RvC is quality, but wasn't much use to them last year as he was in the morgue for most of it. At the end of this season, that's where the questions start. It'll cost another £50mill fee plus somewhere between £30-40mill in wages to sign him on a longer term contract. Word is he's lied about his age and is really 30. But even if he's only 29 next year, a new contract takes him to 32, 33 or maybe beyond as he'll be looking for his last big pay day. That's if he doesn't go full pelt to get a move to Madrid. So an injury prone, £100mill odd investment at the tail end of his career? That's chequebook management any day of the week. They'll get ever diminishing returns for that investment too.Quote:
Given the choice of Falcoa or Wellbeck you'd have to be nuts to choose Wellbeck
As for Welbeck, not 24 yet, signed with his prime years ahead, if he comes good we've effectively stolen him. If he's no good we move him on and we'll still get a decent fee considering he's an International. If you ask who the better player is right now, the answer is obvious. If you ask about the best investment then the answer is not obvious at all. Considering we were getting nobody and we were going with Sanogo until January, Welbeck coming here means we've at least dodged a fatal bullet. But there's potential for the move to become much more important, time will tell if that happens.
All in all I'd be excited but nervous had we signed Falcao, I'm intrigued at the Welbeck signing. If we end up with a quality #9 who fits into an English core of players we have been building then this might be very interesting indeed. Ironically it was Utd who were the last to do something like this. But that would be lost on the likes of van Gaal.
Who's this Falcoa bloke?
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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
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