Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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24-07-2013, 10:25 AM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss

Suarez is quite easily in the top range of attackers, imo. Easily. I don't say strikers because for me he's not really an out and out striker regardless of his actually-very-good scoring record with us; he goes where he likes and does what he likes and that is not always anywhere near the goal.

But in any case, £40m no longer necessarily gets you the biggest names and the biggest talents.

And for not cheering him :lol: Yes you will.

Bloody won't cheer him! I can't stand Real Madrid.
24-07-2013, 10:26 AM
AKBapologist

Other players Wenger has unsuccessfully bid for.
Götze, Hazard, Mata, Cavani, Navas and I'm sure theres more...
24-07-2013, 10:29 AM
Grebbo

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We're not signing anyone of note this summer. Stupid numbers like £40mill, Rooney's £200Kpw wages, etc. All fantasy stuff designed to appease the fans until the window shuts. We already had the best striker in the league. If we can afford £200K for an inferior Rooney then why didn't we pay RvP that amount and keep him here? Then we could have strengthened the team around him this summer in key areas like the midfield, the supposed £70mill could have been used to great effect. We could have changed the whole message, for the fans, the players and our rivals. Instead we sold up and now find ourselves in the ridiculous position of having to bid silly amounts for what we already had. This is as clear an indicator as you can get that all this huffing and puffing around players like Suarez, Higuain and Rooney is a con job.

This summer's business was concluded last summer when we sold RvP. That deal was the real indicator of our intentions. All the rest is bullshit. Anyway, finances don't work like that in business. If you have £70mill this year then you would have anticipated the fact or else you aren't running the business properly. You don't need the money sitting in the bank, you just need to know you have a model that will generate the money at a predictable point in the future. Then you can invest on that basis. That's how we built the stadium, that's how we could be building the team if we were serious about it. Instead these ****s have the fans believing they have a bag of cash ready to spend. They do have the cash, all of their actions suggest it won't be prised from their claws.

You're assuming RVP would't have just left this summer for free instead of last summer. All the money in the world can't keep a player if he's out of contract and wants to leave. I agree that it is nonsense that we've suddenly come into £70m, we could have spent this last summer and then had a quiet window this summer.

£70m is small change anyway. City have just spunked £100m on an already title challenging team, Chelsea spent £90m last summer and barely finished above us. We need £200m spent to be challengers.
24-07-2013, 10:29 AM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by server too busy!

You can't keep a player if he doesn't want to stay, so its not as easy as that. If he wasn't so intent on leaving he would have remained here.

He didn't want to stay because he could get more money elsewhere and also end up in a team that's serious about winning trophies. The exact point I'm making. So we could have kept him if we paid him the money (we now claim we'd spend £200K pw on a clapped out Rooney) and indicated £70mill would be spent this summer to bring in the key players required to make us contenders again.

It's all bullshit. Step back and think about this Suarez thing for a minute. £40mill? Us? On a player that is the polar opposite of a typical Wenger signing? Only reason we're after him is because there's zero chance of getting him.
24-07-2013, 10:32 AM
Özim

This reminds me of when we tried to sign Julio Baptista from Sevilla and he came out and said he's not leaving Spain as he wants his Spanish passport and needs to stay in Spain for one more year, Wenger still said we were confident we would sign him :lol:

In a sense this is a perfect Wenger transfer target, someone unattainable he can waste all summer chasing so transfer spending can be kept to a minimum.
24-07-2013, 10:33 AM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

You're assuming RVP would't have just left this summer for free instead of last summer. All the money in the world can't keep a player if he's out of contract and wants to leave. I agree that it is nonsense that we've suddenly come into £70m, we could have spent this last summer and then had a quiet window this summer.

£70m is small change anyway. City have just spunked £100m on an already title challenging team, Chelsea spent £90m last summer and barely finished above us. We need £200m spent to be challengers.

Would he be leaving on a free if we were building a team around him that included £70mill of new talent and a clear commitment we were going for the title? Arsenal legend in the making, great money, a real shot at winning something? Different picture isn't it? The picture he actually saw was zero investment, no hope, £140K offer when city would have given him twice that much. We don't know for sure but you have to at least make an effort of you want to keep these players. We made zero effort.
24-07-2013, 10:33 AM
Unai Tea

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

You're assuming RVP would't have just left this summer for free instead of last summer. All the money in the world can't keep a player if he's out of contract and wants to leave. I agree that it is nonsense that we've suddenly come into £70m, we could have spent this last summer and then had a quiet window this summer.

£70m is small change anyway. City have just spunked £100m on an already title challenging team, Chelsea spent £90m last summer and barely finished above us. We need £200m spent to be challengers.

There's no point in trying to outspend Chelsea or Man City or to desire to have as many top quality players as they do. That's just never going to happen. But then Man Utd don't match them either and their squad has fewer names in it. Yet they manage to outplay both. Man Utd has to be our model, not Chelsea/Man City/PSG/Monaco. We will need to spend but it must fit into what we already have and we have to accept that we won't have 2-3 world class or even high quality players at every position.
24-07-2013, 10:34 AM
Power n Glory

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We're not signing anyone of note this summer. Stupid numbers like £40mill, Rooney's £200Kpw wages, etc. All fantasy stuff designed to appease the fans until the window shuts. We already had the best striker in the league. If we can afford £200K for an inferior Rooney then why didn't we pay RvP that amount and keep him here? Then we could have strengthened the team around him this summer in key areas like the midfield, the supposed £70mill could have been used to great effect. We could have changed the whole message, for the fans, the players and our rivals. Instead we sold up and now find ourselves in the ridiculous position of having to bid silly amounts for what we already had. This is as clear an indicator as you can get that all this huffing and puffing around players like Suarez, Higuain and Rooney is a con job.

This summer's business was concluded last summer when we sold RvP. That deal was the real indicator of our intentions. All the rest is bullshit. Anyway, finances don't work like that in business. If you have £70mill this year then you would have anticipated the fact or else you aren't running the business properly. You don't need the money sitting in the bank, you just need to know you have a model that will generate the money at a predictable point in the future. Then you can invest on that basis. That's how we built the stadium, that's how we could be building the team if we were serious about it. Instead these ****s have the fans believing they have a bag of cash ready to spend. They do have the cash, all of their actions suggest it won't be prised from their claws.

It does seem pretty short sighted for us to let RVP go and then offer those wages to a lesser player. We should be rewarding years of loyalty when it comes to topping up wages. Why let a player we’ve developed from youth walk and then give a complete outsider the wages? Also, when RVP sat down to discuss his future with the club, why didn’t they explain that we’d be making major moves like this in this window? It’s all bullshit.
24-07-2013, 10:36 AM
Niall_Quinn

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Originally Posted by AKBapologist

Other players Wenger has unsuccessfully bid for.
Götze, Hazard, Mata, Cavani, Navas and I'm sure theres more...

Yeah, we just got unlucky every time. The intent was real. But unfortunately, only city and the chavs can sign players. It's not like Liverpool have Suarez, for example. It would be impossible for them to get Suarez because of city and the chavs. We can't compete. There is no way we can buy players even though Wenger and the board would love to spend money rather than run the place like a pension fund. You must believe them, they are doing this all for you.
24-07-2013, 10:37 AM
Ollie the Optimist

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Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga

This reminds me of when we tried to sign Julio Baptista from Sevilla and he came out and said he's not leaving Spain as he wants his Spanish passport and needs to stay in Spain for one more year, Wenger still said we were confident we would sign him :lol:

In a sense this is a perfect Wenger transfer target, someone unattainable he can waste all summer chasing so transfer spending can be kept to a minimum.

but if he does get serious about bidding 40 million on one player then hes an idiot for blowing all our budget on one player. yep all your bases covered there for wumming

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