Wenger Out?

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

And yet AW is still in the job shows how much the club feel about fan opionion tbh.

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At the last game there were "One Arsene Wenger" chants :shrug:
The people who go to games are, in general, nowhere near as down on him as the opinions I've seen on here.
There have been some "spend some ***ing money" chants directed at him at times but overall there's not that much discontent in the ground right now. The moment it could have got really ugly was when we were 2-0 down to the Spuds. We were on a bad run and had we lost that one there would have been an...interesting reaction. But we turned it round and went on a good run and the mood lifted.

If we're seen as customers by the club (and we are) then why should they care what people who don't go to games (and thus aren't spending much on the club) think.

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Originally Posted by Letters

At the last game there were "One Arsene Wenger" chants :shrug:
The people who go to games are, in general, nowhere near as down on him as the opinions I've seen on here.
There have been some "spend some ***ing money" chants directed at him at times but overall there's not that much discontent in the ground right now. The moment it could have got really ugly was when we were 2-0 down to the Spuds. We were on a bad run and had we lost that one there would have been an...interesting reaction. But we turned it round and went on a good run and the mood lifted.

If we're seen as customers by the club (and we are) then why should they care what people who don't go to games (and thus aren't spending much on the club) think.

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Very true this is what i was trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Letters

If we're seen as customers by the club (and we are) then why should they care what people who don't go to games (and thus aren't spending much on the club) think.

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it's rarely different at any club, as if a fan pays to go to the stadium then he comes with hope - no point turning up other wise. calls for fans not to turn up is so far off the mark as it is an action that nearly all fans would not do - even the blackburn fans earlier this season demonstrated but still walked through the turnstile. and all clubs know this; asking someone to stop loving at the drop of a hat is near on impossible.

He's won back quite a lot of trust from me in the way he's turned around our season. I'll be clear and maybe to some harsh, Arsene had us in a REAL hole early season, his disastrous dealings in the market almost cost us big time.

Sure he panic bought at the tail end of the Window but things had got that bad.

Strangely enough I like some of his signings, I think Arteta has done a real good job for us this season and has cemented his place in the starting XI, I don't think Arteta is a champion but he's a very good PL player. Santos has looked pretty decent at times and seems Prem Ready, Merte has been hit and miss though is a very good option to have as 3rd choice, OX is a MAJOR talent and Park has been his "annual screw up from the foreign market". Park didn't cost much and I think Arsene panicked big time because he had nobody outside of RVP who could do anything for us this season.

We have the makings of a very strong first XI and a half decent squad, we all know what needs to happen this summer and assuming we finish top 4 which is looking likely, Arsene will be judged on what he does in the market this summer for me. I'm very 50/50 on him now, I'll happily admit I've wanted him gone for a few seasons now but the way he's turned around what was developing into a "disastrous" season deserves praise. Even if we finish top 4, he has achieved what I believe is his objective this season so he's by no means overachieved. You could argue that he's overachieved in the sense the squad is in poor shape in general and the overall level of the team is probably not as strong as recent teams he's built.

He absolutely has to get it RIGHT this summer, if it means bending the rules (in his world), then he needs to pay whatever it takes to keep RVP & Theo at the club. There is a caveat to this, I would only retain them on the basis that they are genuinely happy to stay and want to play for the SHIRT. No more promises of "one more season then you will get your dream move". If they don't want to stick around then they must be sold and replaced PROPERLY with players of equal status. If it means breaking wage structures to either retain or replace the player then so be it.

Arsene has to buy "REAL" quality this summer, players who can comfortably challenge for a starting place, the "Podolski's", "M'Villa's" & "Vertonghen's" of this world, I'm not interested in "Projects" or "Vanity Buys From The Foreign Market", I absolutely want him to send out a message to our rivals and our First XI/Squad that he means business next season, the confidence & momentum is there, now is the time to make a statement. For all that I've said I don't for one minute expect or want us to spend like Citeh or Chelsea, but I do want us to genuinely strengthen the squad with the best quality player we can possibly afford be it transfer fee & wages.

He has other work too, he needs to remove the deadwood, if it means making losses then so be it, we have a whole heap of sh*t in the squad that needs moving on.

Arsene should be judged in the summer; if the squad is not improved or he has a summer similar to last then he should be shown the door before the season starts.

If he makes the respective moves to strengthen the squad then I think he should stay on as I do believe we have the core foundations of a first XI/team that can respectably challenge for the title, certainly a side that is capable of winning a domestic cup.

The Squad needs major work though, outside of 13 or 14 we have no credible options.

Hard to disagree with any of those points Selassie. Two issues though:-

When was the last time Wenger had a real proper clearout of the squad. I am a Barnet fan (and Arsenal supporter too) and at the end of the season, we are often left with very few, if any of the players, due to the short term nature of the contracts, loan signings and the fact frankly that the vast majority of our squad just is not that good! The main difference however is that most of the players who leave have no transfer value. As you say, if Wenger is going to make the changes needed he will have to write off quite a few transfer fees in the process, the question however is whether he will be able to do this, or if we will see the likes of Chamakh, Arshavin and Djourou riding the bench yet again. As it stands they are injuy cover, not squad options and are taking the places of promising young professionals.

The second issue is whether players like Chamakh, Arshavin, Djourou and Park are as rubbish as is being suggested and therefore not to be trusted to come on, or are they victims of Wenger not picking them and therefore being given no chance to show what they can do. At some point over their arsenal careers (Park ecepted!) these players have shown the potential to be good enough, but this season they appear to have taken a number of steps back, with no clear reason why. Is it a confidence/form thing, or are they simply not good enough?

As it stands, I would rather see the likes of Miguel, Henderson and Afobe showing what they can do, than be disappointed by our so called senior professionals who pick up £60k upwards per week for not being very good.

Welcome to GW...

Thanks MO, I had a brief stint on the board as Gunner Bee but lost my login details so thought it easier to start again....

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Originally Posted by Underhill and over Grove

Thanks MO, I had a brief stint on the board as Joker but lost my login details so thought it easier to start again....

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Welcome back.

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

Welcome back.

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by Underhill and over Grove

Hard to disagree with any of those points Selassie. Two issues though:-

When was the last time Wenger had a real proper clearout of the squad. I am a Barnet fan (and Arsenal supporter too) and at the end of the season, we are often left with very few, if any of the players, due to the short term nature of the contracts, loan signings and the fact frankly that the vast majority of our squad just is not that good! The main difference however is that most of the players who leave have no transfer value. As you say, if Wenger is going to make the changes needed he will have to write off quite a few transfer fees in the process, the question however is whether he will be able to do this, or if we will see the likes of Chamakh, Arshavin and Djourou riding the bench yet again. As it stands they are injuy cover, not squad options and are taking the places of promising young professionals.

The second issue is whether players like Chamakh, Arshavin, Djourou and Park are as rubbish as is being suggested and therefore not to be trusted to come on, or are they victims of Wenger not picking them and therefore being given no chance to show what they can do. At some point over their arsenal careers (Park ecepted!) these players have shown the potential to be good enough, but this season they appear to have taken a number of steps back, with no clear reason why. Is it a confidence/form thing, or are they simply not good enough?

As it stands, I would rather see the likes of Miguel, Henderson and Afobe showing what they can do, than be disappointed by our so called senior professionals who pick up £60k upwards per week for not being very good.

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Welcome Underhill.

I personally don't think Arsene has a choice anymore, especially with the likes of Chamakh, Arshavin, Squillaci, Denilson & Almunia, add Bendtner to the list, all of them are on healthy wages & are effectively screwing up our 25 man squad quota, most/if not all of them have to go IMHO.

Out of that list we could maybe get adequate squad service out of Arshavin & Bendtner, the rest are totally surplus IMHO, they offer the team nothing, are wasting up valuable squad space & are taking home large wages. Too many "cons" to keep them around. Arshavin is pretty much surplus already, especially if Podolski comes in.

Moreover If we are going to play the "pauper" then we need to rid the squad of "high earning underachievers".

I honestly can't remember the last time Arsene had a cull and I agree that it's not in his make up to do "BIG Changes" but what choice does he have?

Edited to add: Outside of the "garbage" list we still IMHO have pretty big question marks over the likes of Djourou, Park & Diaby, that's a helluva lot of players in the squad who are effectively "surplus" or "on trial".