Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

how successful was robinho in england? speak to most city fans and a majority would brand him a flop. not sure why you're using him as a kingpin to further your argument. and using heskey to devalue mine? :lol: i mean come on, there's shit and then there's real shit. you need a sense of balanced rationale when using players as examples. heskey god bless him could have messi's right foot and ronaldo's left and he'd still manage to fall flat on his backside every game. i can see your point and i agree with you that you need skill, balance, technique etc, but treating them as mutually exclusive to strength, work rate, energy, drive is fundamentally wrong from both sides of the argument.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

I doubt Fergie would have given us Hernandez. :lol:

Ronaldo was the best player in the world and courted by Real Madrid who have broken the world record transfer fee several times, that's how they got 80m.

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Hernadez is markedly superior to anything we have at this club now. Put RvC on the pitch and those two will be lethal over the coming months. This is Utd's title and we filled in the missing piece for them. RvC didn't score yesterday but he linked the play so well and prevnted it breaking down on so many occasions. The exact opposite of what we see at Arsenal. Hernandez would do nothing here because we couldn't bring back RvP as well. We couldn't bring a Rooney is, who for all the stick he gets can at least pass a ball. We laugh at Carrick, but he is efficient, our lot are wasteful. Valencia was an excellent outlet for them too, holding the ball, running with it, relieving the pressure rather than pouring it back on to the defence - the opposite of Theo Walcott, by the way. They went two goals down and of course came back to win it. That was obviously going to happen and it's no fluke, they have rescued 15 points so far from losing positions apparently. As with us, their defence is not so good, but further up the pitch they do all the necessary things to keep the pressure off that defence - we do none of those things. Football is a simple game in the end, most of the complex analysis is pure bullshit. Pass, run, shoot, cross, press, tackle, block - the basics. Get this right and get 11 guys working as one team and you will be formidable. Add talent in the key areas and you will be champions.

Youre right about RVC yesterday. He was brilliant from what i saw on MOTD, He hit the post twice and set up their winner. He is a huge buy for them and it was the worst mistake we have ever made selling him.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Hernadez is markedly superior to anything we have at this club now. Put RvC on the pitch and those two will be lethal over the coming months. This is Utd's title and we filled in the missing piece for them. RvC didn't score yesterday but he linked the play so well and prevnted it breaking down on so many occasions. The exact opposite of what we see at Arsenal. Hernandez would do nothing here because we couldn't bring back RvP as well. We couldn't bring a Rooney is, who for all the stick he gets can at least pass a ball. We laugh at Carrick, but he is efficient, our lot are wasteful. Valencia was an excellent outlet for them too, holding the ball, running with it, relieving the pressure rather than pouring it back on to the defence - the opposite of Theo Walcott, by the way. They went two goals down and of course came back to win it. That was obviously going to happen and it's no fluke, they have rescued 15 points so far from losing positions apparently. As with us, their defence is not so good, but further up the pitch they do all the necessary things to keep the pressure off that defence - we do none of those things. Football is a simple game in the end, most of the complex analysis is pure bullshit. Pass, run, shoot, cross, press, tackle, block - the basics. Get this right and get 11 guys working as one team and you will be formidable. Add talent in the key areas and you will be champions.

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By the way I dont think Carrick is that good at all. Watched him a few times now and he drifts off the play and is responsible in part for Manure leaking quite a lot of goals.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Hernadez is markedly superior to anything we have at this club now. Put RvC on the pitch and those two will be lethal over the coming months. This is Utd's title and we filled in the missing piece for them. RvC didn't score yesterday but he linked the play so well and prevnted it breaking down on so many occasions. The exact opposite of what we see at Arsenal. Hernandez would do nothing here because we couldn't bring back RvP as well. We couldn't bring a Rooney is, who for all the stick he gets can at least pass a ball. We laugh at Carrick, but he is efficient, our lot are wasteful. Valencia was an excellent outlet for them too, holding the ball, running with it, relieving the pressure rather than pouring it back on to the defence - the opposite of Theo Walcott, by the way. They went two goals down and of course came back to win it. That was obviously going to happen and it's no fluke, they have rescued 15 points so far from losing positions apparently. As with us, their defence is not so good, but further up the pitch they do all the necessary things to keep the pressure off that defence - we do none of those things. Football is a simple game in the end, most of the complex analysis is pure bullshit. Pass, run, shoot, cross, press, tackle, block - the basics. Get this right and get 11 guys working as one team and you will be formidable. Add talent in the key areas and you will be champions.

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Originally Posted by Wiltord's Winner

how successful was robinho in england? speak to most city fans and a majority would brand him a flop. not sure why you're using him as a kingpin to further your argument. and using heskey to devalue mine? :lol: i mean come on, there's shit and then there's real shit. you need a sense of balanced rationale when using players as examples. heskey god bless him could have messi's right foot and ronaldo's left and he'd still manage to fall flat on his backside every game. i can see your point and i agree with you that you need skill, balance, technique etc, but treating them as mutually exclusive to strength, work rate, energy, drive is fundamentally wrong from both sides of the argument.

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Scrap that then. We go back to this question and we'll use one of our own players. Do you think Theo Walcott should hit the gym and work on his strength and work rate to improve his dribbling skills? I'm not ignoring the need for strength, just establishing what is more important.

Just watched this game, and honestly everything I thought about this team is true, we are a decent/above average team. Even though we scored 2 in the first half, we were lifeless, really those two goals, were just random.

In the second half, that's how I would like to see them play. more tempo, yeah it's a bit helter skelter, but Wenger has to understand, that this team with the players we have, aren't capable off playing pass, pass, pass football. Quick, faster football suits them better. Unfortunately a player like Carzola gets lost with that type of play. We should've bought him 3 seasons ago.

Theo and Giroud were the only players that stood out to me.

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Originally Posted by jelgoon

By the way I dont think Carrick is that good at all. Watched him a few times now and he drifts off the play and is responsible in part for Manure leaking quite a lot of goals.

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We often say this about certain united players but they still get resounding results. At the start of every season we always say how average they look compared to last year, but they're like a machine they just go out and win.

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Originally Posted by jelgoon

By the way I dont think Carrick is that good at all. Watched him a few times now and he drifts off the play and is responsible in part for Manure leaking quite a lot of goals.

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I don't think he's that good either. I think he is average. But he can pass 5 yards instead of cutting open his own defence.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Hernadez is markedly superior to anything we have at this club now. Put RvC on the pitch and those two will be lethal over the coming months. This is Utd's title and we filled in the missing piece for them. RvC didn't score yesterday but he linked the play so well and prevnted it breaking down on so many occasions. The exact opposite of what we see at Arsenal. Hernandez would do nothing here because we couldn't bring back RvP as well. We couldn't bring a Rooney is, who for all the stick he gets can at least pass a ball. We laugh at Carrick, but he is efficient, our lot are wasteful. Valencia was an excellent outlet for them too, holding the ball, running with it, relieving the pressure rather than pouring it back on to the defence - the opposite of Theo Walcott, by the way. They went two goals down and of course came back to win it. That was obviously going to happen and it's no fluke, they have rescued 15 points so far from losing positions apparently. As with us, their defence is not so good, but further up the pitch they do all the necessary things to keep the pressure off that defence - we do none of those things. Football is a simple game in the end, most of the complex analysis is pure bullshit. Pass, run, shoot, cross, press, tackle, block - the basics. Get this right and get 11 guys working as one team and you will be formidable. Add talent in the key areas and you will be champions.

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Spot on.

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Valencia was an excellent outlet for them too, holding the ball, running with it, relieving the pressure rather than pouring it back on to the defence - the opposite of Theo Walcott.

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This is why is Theo went there'd have to be 10X better then he is here.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

Just watched this game, and honestly everything I thought about this team is true, we are a decent/above average team. Even though we scored 2 in the first half, we were lifeless, really those two goals, were just random.

In the second half, that's how I would like to see them play. more tempo, yeah it's a bit helter skelter, but Wenger has to understand, that this team with the players we have, aren't capable off playing pass, pass, pass football. Quick, faster football suits them better. Unfortunately a player like Carzola gets lost with that type of play. We should've bought him 3 seasons ago.

Theo and Giroud were the only players that stood out to me.

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I really have my doubts about this now.