Rather get Gotze to Hazard, Harzard don't know whether he is coming or going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
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Rather get Gotze to Hazard, Harzard don't know whether he is coming or going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
why? why do we want another money grabbing little **** who seems more interested in whoring himself out to the biggest wage offer then actually playing football?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Pretty much and a Player who Don't give a shit about our Club or any of the clubs he is going too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Cos hes a better playerQuote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I don't think it's even about the best wage with Hazard, it's just a really weird situation that I can't understand. Him and Wenget would be a great WUM team though.
Gotze signed a new contract. Hes not going anywhereQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
That's Questionable tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
New Contracts don't mean anything in this day an age. If the right offer came in they sell and he'd be off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
How many players leave the same year they sign a new contract?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Not many
Depends if the right offer comes in. Football is not like it used to be When contracts meant something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Not saying Gotze will move or he is that type of player.
Yeah he's not worth that, even if he had 3-4 years left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Any news on mvila yet?
Has he decided where he is going?
he has won the league twice in two years, played well and is young with best yet to come. id say he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
I'm with you, funny thing about Japanese players, I'd expect to see some real superstars now as they've had an established league for a while, whilst they do have some excellent players they're never quite top level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Nakata was not bad but he's been Japan's best player to date and even he wasn't really at the very top of the game. Wasn't overly impressed with Kagawa when we played them to be honest either. For that kind of money for a player with one year left on his contract we should be getting a top quality player.
Racist :sulk:Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Well there's yet to be a Japanese player who's been at the top of the game so I'm not convinced, they have yet to produce any superstars.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
Very hard working for sure, but so far they've lacked that genius the very best players have.
what kind of arugment is that? japanese players havnt been very good so he wont be either? how about give him a chance? you moan we dont have winners etc then when we look to sign one you come with a bullshit point that he is japanese so will be shitQuote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
id say he has decided, he has said he is leaving rennes but not where too but i reckon he knows where he is going but the club in question and him have agreed to say nohting yetQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
He's been shit every time I have seen him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
I don't think he has that genius based on what I've seen of him, so no I don't think he'll be a top top player, he'll work hard get a few goals like Park Ji Sung but he won't be leading us to any trophies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
He's hardly a winner at his age, he's a kid who's been playing for the best team in Germany, good player no doubt but he's not the playmaker and isn't the one who makes the team tick.
Fair play but he's got the award for best player in France has something like 22 goals and 16 assists, bit of an all-rounder and not bad for a winger to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
I reckon he'll turn out to be something special.
hasnt this season shown that arsenal seem to play better with players who work hard? yossi for example is not a quality player when compared to rvp etc but he worked fucking hard and made a vital difference to our season. same with park ji sung with united, played many great games for them and has the medals to show for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Not really no, we were knocked out of everything by February, lost 10 games in the league and received some heavy beatings as well. Park Ji Sung is a good squad player for Man U, but he's not usually in the 1st team, you don't spend 17 million on a player with one year left on his contract just to stick him on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by ollie the optimist
I don't think it's fair to suggest he's a passenger at Dortmund. The guy is very productive and he's been a key figure in their back to back title wins. Just Youtube the guy (I know, I know), but it's pretty easy to deduce that he has extremely good tekkers, I'd even say he's got more ability than anyone in our current midfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Whether he would stand up to the physical nature of the Prem remains to be seen, but he's recieved plaudits for a reason and it shouldn't be ignored IMO.
Productive yes no doubt about that, but he's no matchwinner. Our current midfield isn't exactly top notch let's be honest, so sure he'd be an improvement, I think we need a bit of genius though and IMO he's not it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I'm not saying he's a passenger at Dortmund, just that he's not the main man.
Im on you with this, there is a bit of over hypement with him tbh,Quote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Well if he is so bad why us Fergie desperately after him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Hes also after Hazard yet you think hes shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Talk is he wants Hazard, maybe he'd be happy to have both but Hazard is most likely his main target out of the two....since he's a better player and a playmaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Where did i say he was shit fuck off with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
NQ said hes been shit and you said you were with him on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
:blink:
It was literally 5 minutes ago. Do you have short term memory loss?
£16m is what his club want. That doesn't mean he'll be sold for £16m. Bolton wanted like £15+m for Cahill and he went for less than half that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
They know he's leaving for nothing next year and they're trying to maximise what they can get for him. He'll probably end up going for something around £10-11m and that's very reasonable. If we could throw in a couple of our highly paid donkeys as makeweights, so much the better.
I'd love to see this happen but these things rarely seem to come off as you'd want or expect in the transfer season.
Podolski - Kagawa - M'vila + re-signing Van Persie and I really fancy our chances next year.
(Oh yeah, and Bould knocking the defense into shape...)
I think it's probably fair to say that Hazard probably has a higher ceiling than Kagawa. He's probably also a better player now. He's also going to cost £30m and suck up 4x the wages that Kagawa would and, simply put, he's a bit of a stupid cockface and doesn't want to play for us anyway and even if he did he'd not stick around long.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
There was the drubbing in Milam but we only got one heavy beating in the league. We lost to Liverpool 2-0 - although we were a bit unlucky that day, had Frimpong not got sent off I reckon we'd have got a point. Every other league defeat was by the odd goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
We also won more games and scored more goals than anyone bar the top 2.
Just saying is all :shrug:
Most teams want Hazard. But they were after the Japanese lad before Hazard anyways. and they don't play in the same position anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
Hazard plays on the left well has been in france anyway. The other lad plays in the middle.
Hazard has the potential to be great but now not sure how good he really is. Its easy playing in the french leageu but the EPL and La liga are diffrent class.
I don't think what we achieved constitutes a good season though, anytime you're out of everything by the 2nd month of the year you can hardly see things have been great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
There were a couple excellent games against Chelsea and Spurs but not a lot more, we won a fair few games without really being that great either. 10 defeats in a league season is not a very good record though.
with luck this season would have been better i think, how many decisions went against us doesnt help. i dont think we are that far away from challengeing next season with the squad we have. zimm saying our midfield isnt great, that midfield destroyed both the scum and the champions this year. the problem is injuries so singing players like kagawa would be great. when one injured another good player replaces them rather then makeshift players in wrong posistion. we dont need much to challenge imo. couple of singings and rvp and something special will happen. i firmily believe in it, call me deluded or whatever but there was enough last season to convince me that a trophy will happen next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I said he was over hyped much different to shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
The top players from France tend to do pretty well, there's plenty of examples of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
I agree they play in different positions so Fergie probably wants both, but I'd say Hazard in the gem out of the two, there's a good reason a lot of clubs want him.
Corrected your little mistake..Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
No, it wasn't a great season but given last summer's debacle and the start we had 3rd place was very creditable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ItsMe
But yes, 10 league defeats is too many.