Leicester will have that Soyuncu kid and Maguire in the centre of their defence...whilst we will have Mustafi and Sokratis. I honestly don't know that we are better off....
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Leicester will have that Soyuncu kid and Maguire in the centre of their defence...whilst we will have Mustafi and Sokratis. I honestly don't know that we are better off....
Pochettino has blamed the lack of signings saying Brexit's effect on the pound against the Euro has made for a "30 per cent" increase when looking to bring players over from the continent.
Ordinarily I consider Brexit a bad idea but in the case of the Spuds i will make an exception...BTW is Aston Villa in another country?. Just asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazthegooner
The Spuds are notorious for always wanting to buy cheap and sell very high
So we shipped out Perez and kept Welbeck - great move... :rolleyes:
Most likely English quota, otherwise it makes no football senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
How Welbeck has carved out a career in top level football I'll never know, must be all these people always saying he has it all the attributes to be great but somehow he never gets any better.
It just takes one transfer and one club to pay up to change the whole market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
If you want the best you have to pay the going rate, otherwise you have to either sign kids/older players or players who have been out of form and whose value has dropped.
they should just get some League 2 slogger then, on a quarter of the pay, couldn't be any worse and would save us moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
There is no such thing as a ‘going rate’ and it doesn’t always equate to quality. This Kepa guy wasn’t mentioned last week when we were talking about the best goalkeepers in football. Information is still king. Chelsea must have some serious scouts and stats to back up that transfer fee. But as seen with Mustfai and Xhaka, the tide will also rise for bang average players and those that aren’t even close to being the best. That is my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Monaco, Dortmund, Liverpool, Southampton and Athletic Bilbao because they’ve managed sign unknown players for peanuts and sell them on for world record fees despite none of them even being mentioned as the best in their position.
I blame Pogba and UtdQuote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Yep. Around 2016 and 2017 things went nuts with Man Utd and Mourinho being the core culprits. Add Juve in there as well. What Utd paid for Pogba for Juve to then go on to pay for Higuain was stupid. That then inflated the market for every and any striker including bums like Lukaku, another Utd signing. Yep, it's that c*nt Mourinho again. The ripple effect. It changed the striker market and fees just haven't been the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
The going rate is whatever the market dictates, in the case of top goalkeeper 60-70 million. Kepa is Spanish number 2 (behind arguably the best keeper in the world De Gea) so we might not know him but clearly in Spain they do and I'm sure Chelse have plenty of scouting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
More often than not it does though, yes there are some who don't but often you when you pay big bucks you get quality.
That's bad for us yes as that seems to be what we've been focussed on for years, rather than spending extra and getting top quality we're settle for 2nd/3rd tier which actually statistically speaking for us has proved much higher risk, we've ended up with duds that cost a fair amount rather than spending that and a bit more and getting the finished artilce.
There's no defending this buy cheap policy anymore, it's a fals economy, we've failed with it time and time again, the money we shelled out would have been better spent on the best, we'd most likely be a far better side for it. This club does have a record of settling for 2nd best over the years which also reflects on the pitch.
It started before that though,Chelsea were buying up the opposition at one point to stick them on the bench and inflating prices. City have player their part, not to mention the money that the PL gets now, no wonder foreign clubs say 'if you want him, you can delve into that considerable pot you have, or do one.'
I think what changed the market was the TV deals, too much money for clubs. If a club decides they want a player at any cost that's up to them, besides Man U always paid big money for players, Ferdinand back in the day for 30 million was a prime example, Chelsea and Man City came in and paid megabucks too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Not being funny you still have a choice, noone would have signed Mustafi or Xhaka for 30-35 million, they were duds.
I just said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
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Not being funny you still have a choice, noone would have signed Mustafi or Xhaka for 30-35 million, they were duds.[/QUOTE]
That is totally true.
So Morata and Lukaku are top top top quality strikers based on their price tag? This is how teams get got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
I'm not hearing this from you of all people either. Sorry. It's a double standard. If Arsenal sign an unknown player for a hefty price tag, it's met with cynicism (Xhaka). There is no way we'd be able to get away with spending above that sort of fee for players you haven't heard of or for players you see in lower league Premier League clubs like Everton and Southampton.
What's nuts is that there seems to be no bidding war for some of these players. It's not as if they're in high demand and clubs are clamoring for the new star. It's now to the point where clubs are slapping on a too good to say no to price first time around just so the selling club agrees to sell with little fuss. Again, I think we'd all be comfortable with this approach if we knew the current manager has a great record with knowing what sort of players he wants but that's not what's happening in football these days.
See my above post. Exactly. Seeing our record in the window, there is no way you'd feel comfortable spending way above that sort of money on players you've never heard of playing for small clubs especially when there is no bidding war from other clubs to sign them. That's exactly what we've seen during this market, especially with the keepers. Two World Records broken on young keepers that would never have featured on your top keeper target list a month ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
There are some clubs. Utd and Real in particular, who just love the idea of having the most expensive player or type of player. It could be an ego thing but its mostly a marketing ploy, based on them knowing for sure that some poor saps in social housing are going to max out their credit cards to buy tat with said players name on it. When it started, maybe in the 70s with Malcolm Macdonald (£100k) or Shearer bought by money bags Blackburn. All I know is those players were probably worth it back then. Pogba, till now is still not worth 90m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Mourinho being the deadbeat shopaholic that he is always wants to buy players to cover his tactical ancestry. He has now made a rod for his own back. The high ups have told him. You have the most expensive squad more or less in the country. Go earn your pay or ship out. I see him gone by Xmas. Im tempted to put a few pounds on it.
For some reason they are deemed to be yes, to be fair Lukaku scores a lot at scored consistently 20+ goals at Everton so he was always going to cost a shedload, Morata has played at Real and Juve and is highly rated for some reason, never rated him myself but many did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Not being funny but not only was Xhaka a nobody, he's also not playing in Spain or England, seen as the two richest leagues, he's also got no talent, you'd think a decent scout would spot that. As for Everton, to be hones they're putting us to shame with the amount they're spending in comparison to us, especially given our terrible season last season, they obviously will find it difficult to sign the top top players due to not playing much CL football over the years but you can se they're trying to better themselves, much like Liverpool did until they hit the jackpot with Klopp.
It's to do with their release clauses in Spain, you pay that to sign them it's the way the system works and Chelsea needed a new keeper badly.
Lemar, Fekir all players we don't know huge amounts to be honest, but I'd have been happy for us to sign them whatever the cost, it's not for us to worry about the cost, I just want to see quality players come in, Atletico didn't hold back and just spent the money, likewise Liverpool. I have no problem with us signing players like this that are very highly rated and have some sort of matchwinning ability, unlike players like Xhaka, the only thing he'll win you is a wooden spoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
As for the keepers, noone had heard of De Gea but he was hugely rated, I don't know that much about those keepers but certainly with the Liverpool keeper he was regarded as one of the best in the world, with Chelsea they were desperate and being Spain number 2 he can't be too bad, not saying I'd want us to pay that for him (I'd have gone for Oblak but clearly he wasn't available) but they had no choice.
When you sign an expensive player you often get your money back in merchandising and sponsorship deals, Neymar cost a lot but his marketability will bring his fee back in and more over the years and he has huge resale value, people don't see the benefits of signing top players and paying big fees, there are lots of off the pitch benefits to clubs as well.
The part in bold is what seems to make sense about the Pogba deal. If they have some sort of algorithm that predicts his purchase will equate to x amount of shirt sales and sponsorship money, then the price tag can be justified. But I see a lot of bum players going for silly money with nowhere near the sort of following Pogba has. I can’t see how the price tags can be justified but nothing will change unless audience spending habits change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
This is what’s bothering me about the transfer window and fees. Players are going for ridiculous fees after one or two seasons and I see fans such as yourself getting caught up in the transfer hype without seeing the player play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
When we’re talking about fees going up to £70m - £100m for players with Danny Welbeck numbers in terms of goals and still developing….it’s a massive risk for clubs. The rewards can be great but I’ve watched football long enough to know that it doesn’t always turn out that way.
Samir Nasri’s, Ryan Babel’s, Yoann Gourcuff, Maro Gotze’s, Memphis Depay, Jose Antonio Reye’s, Bojan, Ben Arfa, Van der Meyde, Steven Pienaar, Loric Remy, Mario Baloteli…..etc. Can you imagine the amount these players would go for if they were coming up in today’s era with all the hype? If Nasri were still young and playing in France we’d be shouting to spend £60m - £70m on him. Same goes for Reyes and all the rest. We’ve seen how the story ends for most of these players.
I’ve said this before, but as we’re only just starting, I want to see how Emery copes with the little he’s given, how he organises a team and only then will he get the golden stamp approval faith I used to have with Wenger. It didn’t matter who we were linked with or signing, I used to believe that Wenger could turn them into a star. We all saw how that went and it became clear that Wenger lost his mojo and needed to start signing established star players to make up for his weaknesses. Thank fuck he’s gone. In this current ‘market’ it’s also the developing players showing brief signs of potential going for ridiculous amounts of money.
It certainly can’t have come down to his ability as a finisher!Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
The only thing I can think of is that he’s quick, strong and hard-working, so Emery might be looking at him and thinking that he could be an asset in a high press? Perhaps his value is less about goal-scoring and more about pressuring defenders, forcing errors and generally being a pain in a the arse?
Up to Danny to make it work, because he ain’t getting a sniff as a CF with Aubameyang an Lacazette in front of him! There is an opportunity there to balance our narrow attack, though, if someone wants to take it...
One of the many reasons I was pretty sure his value would hold.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Individual player valuations will always fluctuate and aren't set in stone. Courtois just went for £35m to Madrid despite being one of the top keepers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
£60m maybe the new £30m but that doesn't mean every players valuation will stay sky high.
No but I think his will hold for reasons regarding the football bubble and market that I've stated before. Moreover, unlike most of the rest of those keepers I'm in no doubt about his quality having seen him plenty of times now, including live.
Joel Campbell is finally going. :faint:
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...sinone-medical
are we going to get a fee? a sack of potatoes or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Because he does everything well except for the scoring part. And for what Emery actually trying do he's very useful. One of our only attacking players who can actually win the ball. He knows and understands how to play wide, particularly the helping out the fullback part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
The scoring part is never gonna be consistent. Cause he's just builted awkward. Danny is very high IQ player.
Fergie loved having him in the squad, thought he was a very useful player that could be used in a number of positions and always put a shift in. Every squad needs one or two players like that.
Sad isn’t it? Spuds and Liverpool are shifting their squaddies for 15million plus yet here we are discussing if we are going to get a fee for a half OK player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
We have a lot of shit to sort out, we are paying players surplus to our requirements fairly hefty wages.
I think we're probably paying them tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
https://i.imgur.com/2LRqOIY_d.jpg?ma...idelity=mediumQuote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
I'm not gonna lie, I thought he'd have been useful against City after seeing the lack of power from. Mkhitaryan and Ozil out wide. Danny is another player I think is best suited when the game is in front of him and playing on the counter. When trying to unlock a static defence he's a shambles. Hasn't got the finesse in his technique to control tight spaces and his movement isn't great either.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
i think Welbeck will be useful against Chelsea for example... a team who will attack us but he can be used on the counter as well as hound the defensive players and come back and defend himself. the more naturally creative players will be use against teams at home like Burnley, organised defensively but with limited will to attack especially early season when its just point accumulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power n Glory
Heck, when Litch goes down, Welbeck can play left back!
Seen something on click bait sports that we are about to sign Yaya Toure? Could he still do a job? Useful addition?
Definitely not!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralpheroo72