Match Reaction vs Fulham 10/11/12

We are a collection of some talented and some totally inferior players that do not operate as a team. For me our worst failing is the arrogance on the pitch. Wenger says we have belief and I think that's right. We believe we are a good team. Belief is not the same thing as reality. It's bloody dangerous to jump out a top floor window with the belief you can fly.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We are a collection of some talented and some totally inferior players that do not operate as a team.

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This is it right here NQ, there's no consistent fluidity at all about our play, I don't see a team, that really has an identity, or real style of play. Just a bunch of players.

And in this case, this is where we question, what the managers and coaches are doing.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

We are a collection of some talented and some totally inferior players that do not operate as a team. For me our worst failing is the arrogance on the pitch. Wenger says we have belief and I think that's right. We believe we are a good team. Belief is not the same thing as reality. It's bloody dangerous to jump out a top floor window with the belief you can fly.

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Yeah well he is hardly going to say the team is shite even if he felt that was the case. He knows this team/squad is no good.

As a great man once said "You can't sell your best players, and call yourself a big club".

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

This is it right here NQ, there's no consistent fluidity at all about our play, I don't see a team, that really has an identity, or real style of play. Just a bunch of players.

And in this case, this is where we question, what the managers and coaches are doing.

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Fighting with each other apparently.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

This is it right here NQ, there's no consistent fluidity at all about our play, I don't see a team, that really has an identity, or real style of play. Just a bunch of players.

And in this case, this is where we question, what the managers and coaches are doing.

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It's a worring trend that started last season when we lost Cesc and Nasri. The cohesion in the middle was gone and the only time I remember us looking like a proper team was when Rosicky was playing in the middle. We're probably never going to get that style back to be honest. When we lost Vieira, it devastated the team. Our style of play changed and we couldn't play how we used to even though it was just one player. He was key to our central midfield and I fear we're going to have go through the same process now that we have lost both Cesc and Song now. It's not as if we recovered after losing Vieira either. Just as we start to establish a style of play with Cesc and co, we lose him and other key players now we're back to square one. We look badly damaged on the field.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

This is it right here NQ, there's no consistent fluidity at all about our play, I don't see a team, that really has an identity, or real style of play. Just a bunch of players.

And in this case, this is where we question, what the managers and coaches are doing.

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Excellent posts by both NQ and Hobson, both have really hit the nail on the head.

We have developed an arrogance at this club in the thought that all of our players are of a certain quality. This stems from Arsene and this arrogance trickles all the way down to the players. Now thats not a bad thing if you are a Cesc, Henry, Pires, RVP etc, but when it trickles down to the sub class level of players who Arsene puts his unblinding faith in then it is a big big problem.

We have passed on quality player after quality player in the transfer window, due to Arsene not wanting to kill someone we already have in the squad and sumiszing that the purchase of "similar" player would be a waste of resource against the clubs p&l. I am referring to the real quality and not over priced footballer such as Alonso, Mata, Huntaleer etc.

Now when the players with actual quality leave we are left with the sub level of arrogant, self entitled footballers who either do not care enough about the club or are not good enough to wear the Arsenal shirt.

This cycle will not change until Arsene resign's or the board threaten his job. The whole club reeks of complacency and inadequacy. Apparently we do not work on defending, we have players wanting to leave (our only some what decent players), we have a leadership team who think we are a business model first and football club second.....its getting painful to watch.

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Originally Posted by gunnerrrrr

Excellent posts by both NQ and Hobson, both have really hit the nail on the head.

We have developed an arrogance at this club in the thought that all of our players are of a certain quality. This stems from Arsene and this arrogance trickles all the way down to the players. Now thats not a bad thing if you are a Cesc, Henry, Pires, RVP etc, but when it trickles down to the sub class level of players who Arsene puts his unblinding faith in then it is a big big problem.

We have passed on quality player after quality player in the transfer window, due to Arsene not wanting to kill someone we already have in the squad and sumiszing that the purchase of "similar" player would be a waste of resource against the clubs p&l. I am referring to the real quality and not over priced footballer such as Alonso, Mata, Huntaleer etc.

Now when the players with actual quality leave we are left with the sub level of arrogant, self entitled footballers who either do not care enough about the club or are not good enough to wear the Arsenal shirt.

This cycle will not change until Arsene resign's or the board threaten his job. The whole club reeks of complacency and inadequacy. Apparently we do not work on defending, we have players wanting to leave (our only some what decent players), we have a leadership team who think we are a business model first and football club second.....its getting painful to watch.

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Wait till we sell Theo and Sagna.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

When we lost Vieira, it devastated the team. Our style of play changed and we couldn't play how we used to even though it was just one player. .

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I really don't think Viera's lost was that big, cause the style of football we played for the first 2/3 seasons he left was great.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

I really don't think Viera's lost was that big, cause the style of football we played for the first 2/3 seasons he left was great.

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Have to agree with this, some of the best football i have seen us play was in the 07/08 season when the midfield was Rosicky Cesc Flamini Hleb. Up untill the inevitable injury to Rosicky the football was sensational. I recall we went to anfield and even though we drew 1-1, we tore Liverpool a new one.

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Originally Posted by hobson's choice

I really don't think Viera's lost was that big, cause the style of football we played for the first 2/3 seasons he left was great.

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I thought it was a massive hit because we couldn't and haven't won anything since. We were weaker in the middle but you are right, we still played attractive football and dominated possession. Now, our football is totally unattractive and we can't even dominate games. Tippy tappy was boring to watch at times but we have strayed far from that now and can't even reproduce that style.