Super Super Quality Transfer Speculation & Shit

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Im on you with this, there is a bit of over hypement with him tbh,

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Originally Posted by Ach

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I meant him being overhyped. He's not shit, But He's a lil Overhyped is all im saying.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

with luck this season would have been better i think, how many decisions went against us doesnt help. i dont think we are that far away from challengeing next season with the squad we have. zimm saying our midfield isnt great, that midfield destroyed both the scum and the champions this year. the problem is injuries so singing players like kagawa would be great. when one injured another good player replaces them rather then makeshift players in wrong posistion. we dont need much to challenge imo. couple of singings and rvp and something special will happen. i firmily believe in it, call me deluded or whatever but there was enough last season to convince me that a trophy will happen next year

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You sounds like friggin Wenger :rolleyes:

Seriously have you learnt nothing from the last 7 years, we need some top quality, we were miles away in the league and got knocked out of everything early, luck has nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

with luck this season would have been better i think, how many decisions went against us doesnt help. i dont think we are that far away from challengeing next season with the squad we have. zimm saying our midfield isnt great, that midfield destroyed both the scum and the champions this year. the problem is injuries so singing players like kagawa would be great. when one injured another good player replaces them rather then makeshift players in wrong posistion. we dont need much to challenge imo. couple of singings and rvp and something special will happen. i firmily believe in it, call me deluded or whatever but there was enough last season to convince me that a trophy will happen next year

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Our squad depth is seriously lacking. Our first 11 is as good as anyone's IMO but whereas City can have people like Nasri on the bench and Chelsea had Torres and Aguero (that'll be £75m for the two), we have Chamakh and Park :ilt:

Hazard probably is the better player but we have zero chance of getting him, therefore someone like Kagawa is a viable alternative and not a a bad one at that either.

Give it a rest, Ach. You've made your point and Charlie has clarified his position.

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Originally Posted by Ach

But NQ was talking about Hazard being shit, not being overhyped so how can you be with him on that?

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Thats NQ. All i was saying was he was overy hyped is what i meant.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Hazard probably is the better player but we have zero chance of getting him, therefore someone like Kagawa is a viable alternative and not a a bad one at that either.

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He suits UTD more imo.

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Originally Posted by Letters

Our squad depth is seriously lacking. Our first 11 is as good as anyone's IMO but whereas City can have people like Nasri on the bench and Chelsea had Torres and Aguero (that'll be £75m for the two), we have Chamakh and Park :ilt:

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When did Chelsea have aguero?

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

When did Chelsea have aguero?

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*sigh*

Please wait, caller.


I think I mean Essien

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Originally Posted by Letters

Give it a rest, Ach. You've made your point and Charlie has clarified his position.

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Yeah Ach stop picking on him!!!!!

I will find you.

Saddam Hussein.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

with luck this season would have been better i think, how many decisions went against us doesnt help. i dont think we are that far away from challengeing next season with the squad we have. zimm saying our midfield isnt great, that midfield destroyed both the scum and the champions this year. the problem is injuries so singing players like kagawa would be great. when one injured another good player replaces them rather then makeshift players in wrong posistion. we dont need much to challenge imo. couple of singings and rvp and something special will happen. i firmily believe in it, call me deluded or whatever but there was enough last season to convince me that a trophy will happen next year

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Can't use that as an excuse. our squad depth was poor because Wenger never bought quality in last summer simples. Come on Ollie stop being Naive.

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Originally Posted by Letters

*sigh*

Please wait, caller.


I think I mean Essien

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You sure your not just drunk or something?

Drugs maybe?

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

You sure your not just drunk or something?

Drugs maybe?

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Drugs are bad mmmmKay.

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Originally Posted by Jeebus

You sure your not just drunk or something?

Drugs maybe?

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It could be that.


I picked the wrong week to give up sniffing glue :(

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

You sounds like friggin Wenger :rolleyes:

Seriously have you learnt nothing from the last 7 years, we need some top quality, we were miles away in the league and got knocked out of everything early, luck has nothing to do with it.

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Have to agree with Zimm on this.

Our midfield was woeful this season, luck or no luck. We had decisions go against but thats cause refs were bad Generally this season.

if we keep using this excuse we all be stactic like this.

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Juventus will turn their attentions to Manchester City's Edin Dzeko, 26, as they prepare to pull out of the race to sign Arsenal forward Robin van Persie, 28.
Full story: Daily Mail

City are set to take advantage of Juve's move by stepping up their interest in Van Persie, while the Italians could move for Liverpool forward Luis Suarez, 25, as well as Dzeko.
Full story: Daily Mirror

Chelsea have given Arsenal a deadline of next week to make a decision on whether they want to sign on-loan midfielder Yossi Benayoun, 32, on a permanent basis.
Full story: Metro

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Same old shit about RVP

No thanks about Yossi

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Originally Posted by Letters

Our squad depth is seriously lacking. Our first 11 is as good as anyone's IMO but whereas City can have people like Nasri on the bench and Chelsea had Torres and Aguero (that'll be £75m for the two), we have Chamakh and Park :ilt:

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probs didnt explain myself very well. strikers we have podolski, RVP and theo to a degree. if we play one up front like we do, then we have a direct decent replacement for RVP. get one in on the cheap who is good and we are sorted. midfield of rosicky, arteta, song, coqualain, yossi (if we get him and apparently chavs just want a million for him) gervinho and the ox. good enough players imo but if we can get m'vila then we have cover for song, arteta and rosicky as all three can interchange imo. coqualin is good enough and frimpong could be useful for a game or two.
defence have kos, verm, merts, sagna, jenkinson, santos and gibbs. miquel as well who i htink is good, needs a couple more years but will be good. maybe one more defender preferbly a right back. and if we can get someone like craig gordon for free to cover ches then i am actually happy with that squad. couple of players like kagawa, giroud and vertonghan and it will be a good squad if not a very good squad.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

probs didnt explain myself very well. strikers we have podolski, RVP and theo to a degree. if we play one up front like we do, then we have a direct decent replacement for RVP. get one in on the cheap who is good and we are sorted. midfield of rosicky, arteta, song, coqualain, yossi (if we get him and apparently chavs just want a million for him) gervinho and the ox. good enough players imo but if we can get m'vila then we have cover for song, arteta and rosicky as all three can interchange imo. coqualin is good enough and frimpong could be useful for a game or two.
defence have kos, verm, merts, sagna, jenkinson, santos and gibbs. miquel as well who i htink is good, needs a couple more years but will be good. maybe one more defender preferbly a right back. and if we can get someone like craig gordon for free to cover ches then i am actually happy with that squad. couple of players like kagawa, giroud and vertonghan and it will be a good squad if not a very good squad.

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Most of what you say sounds good but it depends on alot of what if's. Nothing to say RVP will stay tbh.

We need a few bits of Quality if were even thinking about Challenging for a cup tbh.

Benayoun is a Must Keep™.

Have we signed Giroud, Belhanda and Biglia yet?

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Thats NQ. All i was saying was he was overy hyped is what i meant.

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And I suppose I should clarify I have never actually seen him play.

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Originally Posted by Ach

Would rather get Hazard

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He IS a good player but I think it has been established that he is a bit of a dick and the last thing we need is someone upsetting the ever-so-sentive ambiance we have int he dressing room.

At UTD if he tried any shit he will have vets and SAF to take him down a peg......we have no-one, we are ripe to be taken over by the alter ego of another prima donna, no matter how good they are....Wenger will not be able to handle him....there was a time when I was clamouring for us to get hold of Balotelli, thought he was just the tonic, the player could well have been but the guy would have driven AW over the edge (some say a good thing) and ultimately put the club, the moral of the players close to self destruction. I know that we are not there yet but I saw signs that we do play for each other and a bit of pride returning to the players. I want to see more of that and the type of player we bring in is going to be vital.....Hazard for all his skills does not look like that player......you know the guys whether they believe it or not are going to be reading the papers..........

At the end of the day we ain't going to get him because we are not going to pay his wages.....Kagawa on the other hand is a decent player, honest to the core and a workhorse to boot as are most Japanese players, he is going to want to get paid sure.....I didn't add stupid to my list and it may take some persuasion but he is a very decent player and I would love to have him here......(Dempsey is a good shout too tho)

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I'm with you, funny thing about Japanese players, I'd expect to see some real superstars now as they've had an established league for a while, whilst they do have some excellent players they're never quite top level.

Nakata was not bad but he's been Japan's best player to date and even he wasn't really at the very top of the game. Wasn't overly impressed with Kagawa when we played them to be honest either. For that kind of money for a player with one year left on his contract we should be getting a top quality player.

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TBF the league over here is awful.....a lot of B-League Brazilians and little else........any Japanese player worth their salt gets out of their and into Europe.....hence the exodus to the Germany.
Nakata set the trial and was miles ahead of his generation in terms of footballing sense.....I agree with you that he has been the best player to come out of Japan but overall the national tam is better.
It's big money for Kagawa but he is a very good player and would fit in with our team very easily.....only worry is that he could turn into another Arshavin and get played out of position, yes he can play on the wing but its behind the striker he is most deadly.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

I don't think he has that genius based on what I've seen of him, so no I don't think he'll be a top top player, he'll work hard get a few goals like Park Ji Sung but he won't be leading us to any trophies.

He's hardly a winner at his age, he's a kid who's been playing for the best team in Germany, good player no doubt but he's not the playmaker and isn't the one who makes the team tick.

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But is that the type of player we should be looking for [B]the one[B] that makes us tick......didn't we try that we Cesc with varying degrees of success, we definitely couldn't last the distance the that plan....

It is my opinion that we should be looking for [B]the ones[B] that;

1) offer balance to the team as well as ability
2) put in a decent shift every game, none of this now you see me now you don't crap
3) have obvious pride to be playing for us.....not using us as a shop window for bigger things
4) understand the true meaning of 'team' and contribute to the spirit of the team in a positive sense not negative
5) can actually getting fucking head through the door

Don't get me wrong Zimm, I agree Hazard could be a bit special but if we only get a blimpse of that special for say 1 or 2 seasons after going through a couple of summers not knowing if he is coming or going, and if for half of that time he plays as if he can't be bothered, I say give me the 'hardworking, contract honouring kamikaze' anyday

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Originally Posted by Jam Persie

£16m is what his club want. That doesn't mean he'll be sold for £16m. Bolton wanted like £15+m for Cahill and he went for less than half that.

They know he's leaving for nothing next year and they're trying to maximise what they can get for him. He'll probably end up going for something around £10-11m and that's very reasonable. If we could throw in a couple of our highly paid donkeys as makeweights, so much the better.

I'd love to see this happen but these things rarely seem to come off as you'd want or expect in the transfer season.

Podolski - Kagawa - M'vila + re-signing Van Persie and I really fancy our chances next year.

(Oh yeah, and Bould knocking the defense into shape...)







I think it's probably fair to say that Hazard probably has a higher ceiling than Kagawa. He's probably also a better player now. He's also going to cost £30m and suck up 4x the wages that Kagawa would and, simply put, he's a bit of a stupid cockface and doesn't want to play for us anyway and even if he did he'd not stick around long.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

He suits UTD more imo.

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TBH Charlie, I think Kagawa would be superb for UTD too.....just I think we have more chance of robbing him off them than Hazard.......and to boot Hazard is an obvious cock so no thanks!

Just concentrate our energy on Kagawa.......a bit expensive yes and as Jam said we may not need to pay that, but one thing I don't want is us holding off till January on the off chance that we can knock a few quid off ala Cahill/Arsenal/Chav drama.






Dempsey anyone?

time difference sucks....no-one to talk to, to get shouted at by.....to tell to STFU

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STFU!

Nah, you're alright, carry on

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

But is that the type of player we should be looking for [B]the one[B] that makes us tick......didn't we try that we Cesc with varying degrees of success, we definitely couldn't last the distance the that plan....

It is my opinion that we should be looking for [B]the ones[B] that;

1) offer balance to the team as well as ability
2) put in a decent shift every game, none of this now you see me now you don't crap
3) have obvious pride to be playing for us.....not using us as a shop window for bigger things
4) understand the true meaning of 'team' and contribute to the spirit of the team in a positive sense not negative
5) can actually getting fucking head through the door

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I like that list. Team chemistry compensates for alot.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

probs didnt explain myself very well. strikers we have podolski, RVP and theo to a degree. if we play one up front like we do, then we have a direct decent replacement for RVP. get one in on the cheap who is good and we are sorted. midfield of rosicky, arteta, song, coqualain, yossi (if we get him and apparently chavs just want a million for him) gervinho and the ox. good enough players imo but if we can get m'vila then we have cover for song, arteta and rosicky as all three can interchange imo. coqualin is good enough and frimpong could be useful for a game or two.
defence have kos, verm, merts, sagna, jenkinson, santos and gibbs. miquel as well who i htink is good, needs a couple more years but will be good. maybe one more defender preferbly a right back. and if we can get someone like craig gordon for free to cover ches then i am actually happy with that squad. couple of players like kagawa, giroud and vertonghan and it will be a good squad if not a very good squad.

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can we sub you for wenger pls. we will give you pay rise anyways.

we desperately need someone who can get job done -no pussing arond. i a sure we we will have something to say about tittle destination next season.

coyg

Rather than subbing Ollie for wumger get him in to sort the wheeling and dealing

MVila
Kagawa
Vertonghen - unfortunately Spud bound
Gordon as cover, hmmmmm?
Yossi for a mil, cheap but lets spunk some more on Dempsey

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

Rather than subbing Ollie for wumger get him in to sort the wheeling and dealing

MVila
Kagawa
Vertonghen - unfortunately Spud bound
Gordon as cover, hmmmmm?
Yossi for a mil, cheap but lets spunk some more on Dempsey

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wenger is garbage. he just cant sign rvp up. the guy loves the club, he just need to see som ambitions. if i was in robin position, i would do excactly the same. AFC need to show som respect to robin and fans. i am tired of not winning things and i am tired of listening to wenger every word coming out of his mouth is rubbish nowerdays. my father used to tell me ''son tell me what the professor said in his press'' but sadly big man never ask me about him any more..i do not wonder why.
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Give me Kagawa over Wazzard any day. The Belgian is just another Nasri in the making, he's already nailed his dickish colours to the mast. Must Not Wenget.

We won't get either anyway so it's all moo.

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

Give me Kagawa over Wazzard any day. The Belgian is just another Nasri in the making, he's already nailed his dickish colours to the mast. Must Not Wenget.

We won't get either anyway so it's all moo.

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It really is a Moo point.

But we are getting Kagawa

And M'Vila

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

Give me Kagawa over Wazzard any day. The Belgian is just another Nasri in the making, he's already nailed his dickish colours to the mast. Must Not Wenget.

We won't get either anyway so it's all moo.

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Pretty Much, Someone thinks he is better than he is. when he gets as good As Messi and Ronaldo then he can be as arrogant as them.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Pretty Much, Someone thinks he is better than he is. when he gets as good As Messi and Ronaldo then he can be as arrogant at them.

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Think is Messi is very likable. . .Gay Ron tho is a little bit full of himself

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

Think is Messi is very likable. . .Gay Ron tho is a little bit full of himself

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He's a little bit full of a lot of men, tbh.

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

Think is Messi is very likable. . .Gay Ron tho is a little bit full of himself

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Sorry let me explain. Messi has Earned the right to be a little arrogant if he wanted to be. Where as Eden has not.He sjust sounds like a confused lil boy each day.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Sorry let me explain. Messi has Earned the right to be a little arrogant if he wanted to be. Where as Eden has not.He sjust sounds like a confused lil boy each day.

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Gotcha!
have to agree with 'third place' GP - Little Ronnie is up to the rim full of men

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Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann

Must Not Wenget.

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