Wenger Out?

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Originally Posted by selassie

Well Arsene is the one who makes the technical decisions, he buys & sells the players so it's his squad. I accept that the board are not blameless and play a big part in this but I simply don't understand what happened last summer and for that alone he (Arsene) should walk.

We were so badly prepared for the start of this season that we might aswell have been managerless.

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Aw does not do the transfers any more, which seems to be the case Ivan does so not sure what went wrong last summer and we'd never really know im guess.

But AW must take most the blame i agree but so do the board, the players as well.

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Originally Posted by jelgoon

As he is so obssessed with the CL maybe he will walk if we dont qualify for it(was that a pig that just flew by my window)

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Do you think he manage us in the EL cause i can't pitcure that.

You may be right, he may walk. On the other hand he is quite arrogant and people like him dont like to hold their hands up and concede defeat. May make him more determined to stay to get us back into the CL

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Do you think he manage us in the EL cause i can't pitcure that.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Aw does not do the transfers any more, which seems to be the case Ivan does so not sure what went wrong last summer and we'd never really know im guess.

But AW must take most the blame i agree but so do the board, the players as well.

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Charlie, Arsene identifies the players and has a budget to work with, he's always making comments about being in total control of the technical side of the club so therefore it's his responsibility. If we have people at the club like Ivan who are unable to complete transfer negotiations then they should be fired. He's paid a whole lot of money to do a job, he should be doing it properly and Arsene should be complaining to the board that the powers of be who are in charge of the negotiations aren't doing their jobs properly.

I do think that everybody has a part to blame but I still hold Arsene more responsible than anybody else, it's his team.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Charlie, Arsene identifies the players and has a budget to work with, he's always making comments about being in total control of the technical side of the club so therefore it's his responsibility. If we have people at the club like Ivan who are unable to complete transfer negotiations then they should be fired. He's paid a whole lot of money to do a job, he should be doing it properly and Arsene should be complaining to the board that the powers of be who are in charge of the negotiations aren't doing their jobs properly.

I do think that everybody has a part to blame but I still hold Arsene more responsible than anybody else, it's his team.

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Fair enough don't disagree one bit. but u think its some guy called dick law who deals with our negoations. AW should only be indentifing who he wants and leave it to his team to do the rest.

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Originally Posted by selassie

Charlie, Arsene identifies the players and has a budget to work with, he's always making comments about being in total control of the technical side of the club so therefore it's his responsibility. If we have people at the club like Ivan who are unable to complete transfer negotiations then they should be fired. He's paid a whole lot of money to do a job, he should be doing it properly and Arsene should be complaining to the board that the powers of be who are in charge of the negotiations aren't doing their jobs properly.

I do think that everybody has a part to blame but I still hold Arsene more responsible than anybody else, it's his team.

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Our problems go beyond transfers and budgets now. It's almost irrelevant now. We have dropped points against all the newly promoted teams and relegation candidates this season. It's a continuation of what we saw in the League Cup final. It shouldn't take an extra £100m to beat these teams. It's a coaching and philosophy problem.

I place most or the blame on Wenger as well because it's his team and has the power to change things. The Board can go out get him players but he still has to coach them. Chamakh and Gervinho's confidence have hit rock bottom so quickly and he's incapable of getting anything good out of them. Arshavin started off well, was one of our most expensive buys and look what happens to him. Vermaelen is one of best players but he has some serious flaws in his game. Same for Song, but Wenger isn't able to coach the bad habits out his players and players that really struggle here end up hitting rock bottom. It's his way of coaching and it's why we struggle to teams like Wigan, QPR, Swansea, Blackburn, Norwich..etc. It's not about the money or quality of players anymore. It's the quality of the manager and my question to the board is how long will they tolerate this?

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Our problems go beyond transfers and budgets now. It's almost irrelevant now. We have dropped points against all the newly promoted teams and relegation candidates this season. It's a continuation of what we saw in the League Cup final. It shouldn't take an extra £100m to beat these teams. It's a coaching and philosophy problem.

I place most or the blame on Wenger as well because it's his team and has the power to change things. The Board can go out get him players but he still has to coach them. Chamakh and Gervinho's confidence have hit rock bottom so quickly and he's incapable of getting anything good out of them. Arshavin started off well, was one of our most expensive buys and look what happens to him. Vermaelen is one of best players but he has some serious flaws in his game. Same for Song, but Wenger isn't able to coach the bad habits out his players and players that really struggle here end up hitting rock bottom. It's his way of coaching and it's why we struggle to teams like Wigan, QPR, Swansea, Blackburn, Norwich..etc. It's not about the money or quality of players anymore. It's the quality of the manager and my question to the board is how long will they tolerate this?

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Totally agree and the sad thing is I think we will be here next season having the same discussion,Our manager is tacticly inept,only knows 1 way to play and in order for that system to work you need a team of world class players which we dont have anymore.Just spending money is not going to cure this major flaw.:oldboy:

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Our problems go beyond transfers and budgets now. It's almost irrelevant now. We have dropped points against all the newly promoted teams and relegation candidates this season. It's a continuation of what we saw in the League Cup final. It shouldn't take an extra £100m to beat these teams. It's a coaching and philosophy problem.

I place most or the blame on Wenger as well because it's his team and has the power to change things. The Board can go out get him players but he still has to coach them. Chamakh and Gervinho's confidence have hit rock bottom so quickly and he's incapable of getting anything good out of them. Arshavin started off well, was one of our most expensive buys and look what happens to him. Vermaelen is one of best players but he has some serious flaws in his game. Same for Song, but Wenger isn't able to coach the bad habits out his players and players that really struggle here end up hitting rock bottom. It's his way of coaching and it's why we struggle to teams like Wigan, QPR, Swansea, Blackburn, Norwich..etc. It's not about the money or quality of players anymore. It's the quality of the manager and my question to the board is how long will they tolerate this?

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Agree with that. Transfers will only get you so far when the basics such as tactics, organisation and motivation aren't there. I don't fall for the same thing that gets said every year, 'next summer is the biggest one', 'we have to do something this summer' etc. because I don't trust the manager with the team. Signings will have a limited effect.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Our problems go beyond transfers and budgets now. It's almost irrelevant now. We have dropped points against all the newly promoted teams and relegation candidates this season. It's a continuation of what we saw in the League Cup final. It shouldn't take an extra £100m to beat these teams. It's a coaching and philosophy problem.

I place most or the blame on Wenger as well because it's his team and has the power to change things. The Board can go out get him players but he still has to coach them. Chamakh and Gervinho's confidence have hit rock bottom so quickly and he's incapable of getting anything good out of them. Arshavin started off well, was one of our most expensive buys and look what happens to him. Vermaelen is one of best players but he has some serious flaws in his game. Same for Song, but Wenger isn't able to coach the bad habits out his players and players that really struggle here end up hitting rock bottom. It's his way of coaching and it's why we struggle to teams like Wigan, QPR, Swansea, Blackburn, Norwich..etc. It's not about the money or quality of players anymore. It's the quality of the manager and my question to the board is how long will they tolerate this?

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I fully agree P'n'G.

Tactics and motivation plays a massive part in the make up a successful team/squad. We lack both and Arsene is fully responsible for our lack of it.

Wenger is fine to stay so long as his new number 2 is not a yes man. Someone like tony adams would be perfect he would teach the players of what it means to play for "The Arsenal"