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Originally Posted by IBK

This is good news. While we all know that the contract will be torn up if we tank - and a manager's contract is never locked in in this respect - this provides stability and for the players in particular shows that the manager is fully invested in them and his project, and backed by the owners. This can only be a good thing for our club.

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Yeah, exactly - in practical terms it doesn't really change much other than the amount of compensation the owners would have to pay Arteta if they fire him before 2025, but it will settle the squad and let everyone know where they stand going into next season: anyone fully committed will know they've done a good job; and if anyone was having any dark thoughts about downing tools and trying to kneecap the manager before his contract negotiations, well that won't work now - see the season out with max effort or you're dead!

It also lets us crack on with our summer plans without any indecision or delays - we've already done the clearance in January so there's no reason why we can't start making calls immediately.

The timing of the announcement isn't lost on me either, just a few days after we secured at least a Europa League spot for next season - kind of suggests that we've already met our target for the season, with 4 games to spare, and that anything beyond this (i.e. CL) is a bonus that puts us ahead of schedule.

Two very good posts mate. I like in particular the effect it will have on those who have too little patience for this project. It won't stop all negative reaction if we don't make top 4, or summer signings aren't the A* that last Summer deserves, but it will tamp this down, and that has to be a very good thing, building on the far healthier togetherness that is growing at our club. The other thing I like is that we are seeing much better focus on the marginal gains that can help build success - from the 'shithousery' that our players seem prepared to action on the pitch to the clear focus on players having personalities (step up Aaron Ramsdale and Rob Holding). As we go into squeaky bum time this season, and face a massive Summer of recruitment, the message that Arteta's (and Jonas Eidevall's) new contracts represents falls squarely into this category.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

The timing of the announcement isn't lost on me either, just a few days after we secured at least a Europa League spot for next season - kind of suggests that we've already met our target for the season, with 4 games to spare, and that anything beyond this (i.e. CL) is a bonus that puts us ahead of schedule.

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Good post.
I honestly don't think we will get fourth, but we would have taken the Europa League when we were bottom of the table. Avoiding the Europa Conference League is a big plus.

All about stability and that’s a good thing. Managers contracts don’t really mean as much as a players does. If it goes tits up next year then it won’t be difficult to move him on, long gone are the days when Wenger was unsackable.

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Originally Posted by Chippy

Good post.
I honestly don't think we will get fourth, but we would have taken the Europa League when we were bottom of the table. Avoiding the Europa Conference League is a big plus.

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The thing is, it’s not just about where we finish and how we’re progressing on the pitch - that’s just half of it.

Just think back to the state the club was in when Arteta took over: no vision or leadership anywhere, chaos at executive level, culture in the toilet, relationship with the fans in the toilet, atmosphere at the ground in the toilet, outdated coaching methods, untrained, criminally unfit players who had just tanked two managers (three if you included Arsene) and were treating the place as their private social club, wage bill and contracts out of control, a bloated, unscientific scouting network who’s only purpose was to get Arsene what he wanted (and that had since been made completely redundant by Raul’s contacts book), Stat DNA there just sitting there ignored and unused (we own that ffs!), no joined-up thinking between the academy and the first team, etc. The list of problems was endless.

Now look at where we are now - all of that has been addressed, and it’s been done during a global pandemic no less! It’s been painful at times, but we really have turned the tanker over these last couple of years and, imo, Arteta has been the driving force behind most of the changes we’ve seen. It certainly hasn’t come from Josh or Vinnai or Edu - the first of those two are willing, but clueless and, whilst Edu seems capable, I don’t think he has the sheer force of personality needed to have made it happen (if you point him at a task then he’ll get the job done, but he looks easily led and can easily become part of the problem when you have someone like Raul doing the pointing). Honestly, I’ve been blown away by the turnaround - absolutely blown away.

As always the big question you need to ask when judging any manager is: will he leave the club in a better state than he found it? And that has to be a resounding ‘yes’ for Arteta. You might not rate what he’s been doing in the pitch, but whoever comes after him will walk into a well-oiled machine with no fires to put out and nothing to worry about other than coaching the first team. For me, the Arteta appointment has already been hugely worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

The thing is, it’s not just about where we finish and how we’re progressing on the pitch - that’s just half of it.

Just think back to the state the club was in when Arteta took over: no vision or leadership anywhere, chaos at executive level, culture in the toilet, relationship with the fans in the toilet, atmosphere at the ground in the toilet, outdated coaching methods, untrained, criminally unfit players who had just tanked two managers (three if you included Arsene) and were treating the place as their private social club, wage bill and contracts out of control, a bloated, unscientific scouting network who’s only purpose was to get Arsene what he wanted (and that had since been made completely redundant by Raul’s contacts book), Stat DNA there just sitting there ignored and unused (we own that ffs!), no joined-up thinking between the academy and the first team, etc. The list of problems was endless.

Now look at where we are now - all of that has been addressed, and it’s been done during a global pandemic no less! It’s been painful at times, but we really have turned the tanker over these last couple of years and, imo, Arteta has been the driving force behind allot the changes we’ve seen. It certainly hasn’t come from Josh or Vinnai or Edu - the first of those two are willing, but clueless and, whilst Edu seems capable, I don’t think he has the sheer force of personality needed to have made it happen (if you point him at a task then he’ll get the job done, but he looks easily led and can easily become part of the problem when you have someone like Raul doing the pointing). Honestly, I’ve been blown away by the turnaround - absolutely blown away.

As always the big question you need to ask when judging any manager is: will he leave the club in a better state than he found it? And that has to be a resounding ‘yes’ for Arteta. You might not rate what he’s been doing in the pitch, but whoever comes after him will walk into a well-oiled machine with no fires to put out and nothing to worry about other than coaching the first team. For me, the Arteta appointment has already been a hugely worthwhile.

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Certainly agree with most of that.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

The thing is, it’s not just about where we finish and how we’re progressing on the pitch - that’s just half of it.

Just think back to the state the club was in when Arteta took over: no vision or leadership anywhere, chaos at executive level, culture in the toilet, relationship with the fans in the toilet, atmosphere at the ground in the toilet, outdated coaching methods, untrained, criminally unfit players who had just tanked two managers (three if you included Arsene) and were treating the place as their private social club, wage bill and contracts out of control, a bloated, unscientific scouting network who’s only purpose was to get Arsene what he wanted (and that had since been made completely redundant by Raul’s contacts book), Stat DNA there just sitting there ignored and unused (we own that ffs!), no joined-up thinking between the academy and the first team, etc. The list of problems was endless.

Now look at where we are now - all of that has been addressed, and it’s been done during a global pandemic no less! It’s been painful at times, but we really have turned the tanker over these last couple of years and, imo, Arteta has been the driving force behind allot the changes we’ve seen. It certainly hasn’t come from Josh or Vinnai or Edu - the first of those two are willing, but clueless and, whilst Edu seems capable, I don’t think he has the sheer force of personality needed to have made it happen (if you point him at a task then he’ll get the job done, but he looks easily led and can easily become part of the problem when you have someone like Raul doing the pointing). Honestly, I’ve been blown away by the turnaround - absolutely blown away.

As always the big question you need to ask when judging any manager is: will he leave the club in a better state than he found it? And that has to be a resounding ‘yes’ for Arteta. You might not rate what he’s been doing in the pitch, but whoever comes after him will walk into a well-oiled machine with no fires to put out and nothing to worry about other than coaching the first team. For me, the Arteta appointment has already been a hugely worthwhile.

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...a hugely worthwhile what? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

The thing is, it’s not just about where we finish and how we’re progressing on the pitch - that’s just half of it.

Just think back to the state the club was in when Arteta took over: no vision or leadership anywhere, chaos at executive level, culture in the toilet, relationship with the fans in the toilet, atmosphere at the ground in the toilet, outdated coaching methods, untrained, criminally unfit players who had just tanked two managers (three if you included Arsene) and were treating the place as their private social club, wage bill and contracts out of control, a bloated, unscientific scouting network who’s only purpose was to get Arsene what he wanted (and that had since been made completely redundant by Raul’s contacts book), Stat DNA there just sitting there ignored and unused (we own that ffs!), no joined-up thinking between the academy and the first team, etc. The list of problems was endless.

Now look at where we are now - all of that has been addressed, and it’s been done during a global pandemic no less! It’s been painful at times, but we really have turned the tanker over these last couple of years and, imo, Arteta has been the driving force behind allot the changes we’ve seen. It certainly hasn’t come from Josh or Vinnai or Edu - the first of those two are willing, but clueless and, whilst Edu seems capable, I don’t think he has the sheer force of personality needed to have made it happen (if you point him at a task then he’ll get the job done, but he looks easily led and can easily become part of the problem when you have someone like Raul doing the pointing). Honestly, I’ve been blown away by the turnaround - absolutely blown away.

As always the big question you need to ask when judging any manager is: will he leave the club in a better state than he found it? And that has to be a resounding ‘yes’ for Arteta. You might not rate what he’s been doing in the pitch, but whoever comes after him will walk into a well-oiled machine with no fires to put out and nothing to worry about other than coaching the first team. For me, the Arteta appointment has already been a hugely worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by I am invisible

The thing is, it’s not just about where we finish and how we’re progressing on the pitch - that’s just half of it.

Just think back to the state the club was in when Arteta took over: no vision or leadership anywhere, chaos at executive level, culture in the toilet, relationship with the fans in the toilet, atmosphere at the ground in the toilet, outdated coaching methods, untrained, criminally unfit players who had just tanked two managers (three if you included Arsene) and were treating the place as their private social club, wage bill and contracts out of control, a bloated, unscientific scouting network who’s only purpose was to get Arsene what he wanted (and that had since been made completely redundant by Raul’s contacts book), Stat DNA there just sitting there ignored and unused (we own that ffs!), no joined-up thinking between the academy and the first team, etc. The list of problems was endless.

Now look at where we are now - all of that has been addressed, and it’s been done during a global pandemic no less! It’s been painful at times, but we really have turned the tanker over these last couple of years and, imo, Arteta has been the driving force behind most of the changes we’ve seen. It certainly hasn’t come from Josh or Vinnai or Edu - the first of those two are willing, but clueless and, whilst Edu seems capable, I don’t think he has the sheer force of personality needed to have made it happen (if you point him at a task then he’ll get the job done, but he looks easily led and can easily become part of the problem when you have someone like Raul doing the pointing). Honestly, I’ve been blown away by the turnaround - absolutely blown away.

As always the big question you need to ask when judging any manager is: will he leave the club in a better state than he found it? And that has to be a resounding ‘yes’ for Arteta. You might not rate what he’s been doing in the pitch, but whoever comes after him will walk into a well-oiled machine with no fires to put out and nothing to worry about other than coaching the first team. For me, the Arteta appointment has already been hugely worthwhile.

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A long dose of revisionism and altered reality. Arteta took over a team that finished 5th missing 4th by 1 point and had played in the Europa final. This with some really dogshite players filling our ranks. He ended 2 seasons in 8th with better players. If he ends up behind the Spuds this season then he will likely end up behind both them and United next season. Just 3 weeks ago we were lamenting another dreadful 3 loss sequence.

Arteta is the new Wenger. Too shit for us to admit so we instead make pretend about succeeding downward.

BTW. Why do some think the global pandemic uniquely affected only Arsenal. I'd like to know really.