Yeah utterly embarassing tbh. Sums us up though, cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
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Yeah utterly embarassing tbh. Sums us up though, cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
Comparing Apples and OrangesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
The simple fact is whilst that old crook Kroenke refuses to invest any of his own money in the club, whilst we can afford what Dortmund are asking, we probably have to be more self aware of value.
City with this Laporte fella they can throw sixty million odd around without blinking and if he turns out good they are getting years out of him.
Aubemeyang is proven talent, but at 28 a player reliant on pace comes with a best before date, and whilst there is a contradiction over being parsimonious when the club allowed Wenger to run down the contracts of Ozil and Sanchez but if you think you can get a club to knock money off their asking price for a player who they seem to want to sell why wouldn’t you. If it doesn’t work and we are left with just Mkhitaryan we look bloody stupid, but if it does work I don’t imagine anyone here will complain too much.
And if you’re part of the club hiearchy and you’ve seen what Wenger has done for Lacazette would you really be keen to shell out 60million so easily?
The value of any commodity is tied up in what other people are willing to pay. Are there clubs coming in willing to meet Dortmund’s asking price?
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Originally Posted by Özim
You're new here right.... :dQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
See I’ve never seen any glimmer that we or city or in fact anyone else has been particularly interested in EvansQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Most of these rumours I’m sure come about from agents looking for a big pay day.
No. Just a new account because this site is old and shit and has gathered more dust than the queens pussyQuote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Oh do me a favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
He's one of the best strikers on the planet in his peak years.
Give them what they want and get it over the line.
Or you're just a basic tool that forgot your login details? I know what my moneys on.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Time will tell I guess, would be just like us to waste money on someone like this and not be willing to pay a few extra million for someone top class, we've doneit many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Who would have believed we would have signed rejects like Silvestre and Welbeck, two players ridiculed by Arsenal fans before they arrived and two players noone believed we were going to sign.
Abameyang starting for Dortmund today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42839626
Not quite as basic as your vocabulary I fearQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
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Originally Posted by Özim
Again taking away the fan mentality why would you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
It doesn’t seem like Aubemeyang wants to be there, and there aren’t other clubs waiting to pounce. Fine if it gets to deadline day and Dortmund haven’t budged do the deal....but unless you have a rich Arab benefactor it seems odd to not want to get the best value for money possible.
He is at his peak. But again he’s 28 and heavily reliant on pace, how many years are we getting out of him. Especially with that stupid ego driven blunderer in charge.
Dortmund don't have to sell, they can easily wait until the summer, he's under contract and they can find a buyer in the summer, probably much easier. IMO they hold all the cards, the fact he's playing in the team shows that, if he was such a big problem he wouldn't be playing.
#BVB fans have a banner on display: “No one is bigger than the club.”
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Originally Posted by HCZ
Possibly but my understanding is that City wanted him back in 2016 but didn’t want to pay the asking price. It seems to me they think their best chance they think they have of getting the price for him they want is playing on our need to have a replacement for Sanchez.
If they sell him in the summer they won’t get anymore than what we are offering now, especially as he’s six months older.
I think you’re right they are playing him today to say to us we don’t have to sell him to you.
But that’s not going to get them the money they want from him, because I think there is zero chance we are going to pay their asking price now and even less chance another club will in the summer.
What’s the problem buddy?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
Are you hitting yourself again because you can’t think?
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This. :gp:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Comparing us to City/Utd is silly considering we actually have to watch what we spend to an extent whereas those two can chuck whatever money they can without any consequences or impact on their bottom line.
If Aubemeyang is the player we desperately need then losing out on him either to a rival or with him not moving over three million is stupid (I still have nightmares about the Higuain deal) but as long as the negotiation team have time, I can understand them trying to extract the best price for the club.
tl;dr - stop comparing the way we do business to the likes of City/Utd and Chelsea (though I think they're slowly morphing into us now). You're comparing clubs essentially playing football manager versus a club in the real world.
Our main concern is getting the player to improve our team. We are in no position to play poker with them over valuations, we gain nothing from walking away from this deal, especially seeing as we are what 10million apart in valuations at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Our first team isn't by any means strong and our squad is on the whole pretty shoddy, we need players of the profile of Auba to improve us and to also give other potential targets more of an incentive to want join us.
We know Auba wants the move, we know what Dortmund value him at, we should pay the fucking money and get this deal done.
P.S. I highly doubt Dortmund will back down from their valuation, they managed to get 100million from Barca for Dembele in the summer and he went on strike to force the move!
No :lol: I can't be arsed to explain to a dumb tool like you why after years of transfer embarrassments we need to offer the extra £3m for Auba :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
We're talking about an extra £3m, thus your argument is invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
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Originally Posted by selassie
Ozil, Ramsey, Wilshere and Lacazette will be watching this alleged transfer very closely. The club can either make a statement of intent, having just lost lost its star player AGAIN, or it can save a couple of million quid and see how far that gets them replacing the players we'll be losing if we, yet again, do the ridiculous penny pinching routine that has cost this club its competitiveness season after season.
It’s 13million euros not 3 million, they want €61 million and we have offered €48million
£3 million here and there all adds up and affects us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
What if we lose out on another more important player in the summer because we're short of £3 million for the deal and with Kroenke refusing to put his hand into his pocket, we've got no other source of finance? City & Utd don't have that worry.
My understanding is they want £53m and we're offering £50m.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
:lol: Come off it. Piss poor argument :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
:lol: Once again NQ proving he's one of the top 3 posters on the forum. Does anyone disagree with that? Thought notQuote:
Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
Dembele is 20 and Barcelona had money burning a hole in their pocket after selling NeymarQuote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Aubemeyang has been at Dortmund for almost five years, and so far no club has been willing to meet their valuation for him. And if Dortmund want to sell him which they will as they aren’t as stupid as us to let their players run down their contract they will have to accept a lower amount for him than they want.
We have a quarter of a billion quid in the bank at that number has been rising season on season. I doubt we'll be short 3 mill or 30 mill any time soon. There's more TV money sloshing around than ever, more sponsorship deals on the table, and we scalp the fans with the highest prices in the world. There's no reasonable defence that could be mounted for the behaviour of this club. Their eye is not on the football. It is elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
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Originally Posted by Dumbledore
It seems unlikely to me that either party would make a stand over this amount. Everything I’ve seen is that the second bid we made was 44million (equivalent to 48million euros) and Dortmund want 61million Euros (about 55 million quid)
Dortmund have made a statement today saying they still want to sell (which would seem unusual for a club that feels it doesn’t have to sell)
TEG, the money is there, this Auba deal and many of our long drawn out transfer sagas seem to be related to our principles and valuations more than us not having the funds to complete the deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Emirates Gallactico
We have form for this kind of thing, it has happened many times before.
I can definetly believe that we're haggling over £3m. This is Arsenal. We bid £1 over £40m to activate a release clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
He's acting as if we're a league 1 cash strapped club:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
TEG:rose:
I used the Dembele example more for the reason that Dortmund won't bend over for us, Zorc has a reputation for being a tough negotiator.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
Well I don't think it's quite as simple as that, ultimately they will accept what they deem a suitable price for the player, of course they want to sell him but if he was that much of a problem they wouldn't play him, he's playing for them right now!!!
We can continue lowballing them but we stand to gain nothing from doing that.
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Originally Posted by Dumbledore
They want time and money to get a replacement in. Our fucking around is costing them the time they need to make sure they are sorted when the window closes. We get a player, they lose their top scorer. They asked for Bif and we wouldn't do it. I think they even asked for him on loan, which would have been ideal (not Wenger ideal, but English dictionary ideal). Bif's looking to get some game time so he can make the World Cup, Dortmund get their cover until the summer, we get a big name signing that plugs a few holes in the ship. The truth is Arsenal (Wenger) is one giant fuck up in the transfer window. So many examples of it. This joke of a man costs us time and time again, on the pitch, off the pitch. And the bloodsuckers in the boardroom, same deal. The Kroenke/ Wenger combo - cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ
If the release clause says any amount over will trigger the release clause why would you pay loads more?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumbledore
If you wanted to get a new car that was 19,900 would you pay 20k just so you don’t look like a cheap skate?
The joke with that is that these release causes only mean a shit if the player makes a big deal over it. You think if Suárez had wanted to come here he’d have sued Liverpool over breach of contract.