Who Will Win The League - 2

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Originally Posted by Letters

I think Wenger thinks - and I agree with him, actually - that our long term ability to compete shouldn't rely on a sugar-daddy. So while people sneer at the morally superior cup, longer term I'd argue he's mostly taking the right approach.
Which isn't to say he has got everything right and there have been times when I agree he should have spent more.

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An owner who stands to make hundreds of million in growth is not a "sugar daddy" if he kicks some of that back as additional investment. A sugar daddy is somebody who comes to a club that has no fans and then starts pumping in whatever it takes to catapult that club up the table. However, Abramovich and the Arabs are looking less and less like a sugar daddies as the seasons go by. Both clubs have now taken their seat in the top tier and are expanding across the board. They will both reach the stage where if their sugar daddies pulled out they'd sail on under their own steam. Meanwhile we are fucking around with a single lump of coal.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I think Wenger thinks - and I agree with him, actually - that our long term ability to compete shouldn't rely on a sugar-daddy. So while people sneer at the morally superior cup, longer term I'd argue he's mostly taking the right approach.
Which isn't to say he has got everything right and there have been times when I agree he should have spent more.

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What about short term? When Danny Fiszman invested £50m into the club it helped get players on to better contracts, brought in key players like Bergkamp, Vieira and Anelka. That wasn't us relying on a sugar daddy and I'm not saying we should. There is a middle ground and I don't see why the pressure is all on the fans to dip into their pockets now. It bothers me that Wenger can speak so much the correlation between success and finances but not make most of all his resources. Besides asking for a cash injection from our billionaires, it's ridiculous that he's not making the most of what he's given, won't push the boat out for more but seems fine with the fans being squeezed and priced out.

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Originally Posted by Marc Overmars

Yep. I've never heard any Arsenal fan advocate spending a truck load on whoever the hell is available, that's what City and Chelsea have done in the past and they've left a trail of waste behind. All we've ever wanted is to see is our resources maximised and problem areas in the team addressed before it's too late. Is there a difference between buying no one and buying everyone? Both to me represent incompetence. Though at least with the latter your assets are on the field where they might be able to make a difference, sod all is going to happen if money is sitting in the bank.

Wenger could easily have spent more last summer and in summers gone by, the trouble is he does the work of a Director of Football and a CEO as well. He should not be setting his own criteria on what represents value for money.

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Yes. :gp: There has to be a middle ground.

The way I look at it privately is....how do we compare to our former selves.....you know, the team that looked like Titans and played like it?

wenger's professional pride and arsenal ties should have been working in the fans favour but far too often it has failed to.

The special one though halted his own funeral by getting himself sacked before he could get Chelsea relegated and he deserves a world of stick for being in such a position as letters suggests.

I think it was the finance bloke on a bergkamp wonderland who really showed up some of the flaws of our miser tendencies for what they are. Very illuminating!

League Cup - fail
FA Cup - fail
PL - fail
CL - fail
St Totts Day - fail

How much do you think a manager should be paid to achieve that?

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

League Cup - fail
FA Cup - fail
PL - fail
CL - fail
St Totts Day - fail

How much do you think a manager should be paid to achieve that?

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Erm.... £7m?

8 million quid + bonuses

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Originally Posted by fakeyank

8 million quid + bonuses

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Fuck me! Not bad at all.

Disgraceful. One million pounds seems like a far more sensible figure for managing a football club.