Of course Ozil wants to stay, he’s got it cushy here.
We need him off the wage bill so we can rebuild. Getting rid of him should be top of the to-do list this summer.
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Of course Ozil wants to stay, he’s got it cushy here.
We need him off the wage bill so we can rebuild. Getting rid of him should be top of the to-do list this summer.
Yes, could be a tactic so he can leave and say he was forced out. He has a pretty good PR team. Further weakens our negotiations though.
But he has 2 years left of his contract and at 30 he has to be skipped on.
Good list. I wouldnt mind keeping Monreal and Jenks out of the lot as backup players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
Would have to add Xhaka to that list the guy causes more goals for the opposition than he stops. Also Welbeck is out of contract, shouldn't offer this guy a new one either, he's always injured.
We will be lucky to shift Ozil or Mkhi. They are both on big wages, the best we can hope for is loans out and I suspect we will have to pay half of their wage to subsidise the loansQuote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I think we will have trouble shifting Mustafi too, could also be a loan.
We are in a real sticky situation with our squad, we are going to need to be super smart with our recruitment given we seem to have a limited budget. CL qualification is absolutely crucial TBH, more so now than ever before.
I agree re Monreal, i think people are being way too quick to write him off. And i agree with Ozim re getting rid of Xhaka and WelbeckQuote:
Originally Posted by fakeyank
Tbh the more players we're prepared/able to shift the more we really can put a proper rebuild in place. With people like Nelson coming through and Holding and Hector returning from injury, if we can get of the deadwood and make some good new signings we could have a really fresh look about us
i would be tempted to keep Welbeck, only because surely he is cheaper than having to find a new player to be 3rd choice and know what you are going to get. It would be better to focus on the many other areas of the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
of that list the only ones we might get cash for are Chambers (English), Elneny.
Ramsey leaving on a free, Cech retiring. Lichsteiner we got on a free and old. Jenks might get £5m but it would be a championship club or again we could keep him as back up to Bellerin and let AMN play in midfield. After Ramsey, Elneny leave. Cant see Ozil or Mukhi leaving as who will pay them the silly money we do. Mustafi again.... people have seen him play so who would be interested.
I'm pretty sure the clear out many want won't happen and that if it did happen...we wouldn't adequately replace the dearly departed.
The work cannot all be done in one window I'm afraid.
For that reason as well as limited funds I would keep Monreal, Koscielny and would be inclined to keep at least one of Ozil and Mhki unless they are sufficiently replaced.
I'd be happy to keep Xhaka, because he is the best we have and losing him won't make us stronger. Our build up play looks lacking far too often without him. IF the club are adamant they want to replace him though and they replace him with somebody better, then be my guest.
I think we should be highlighting 2-3 players of top quality this summer with a realistic budget in mind.
1. Top Centre half
2. Top wide player with cutting edge!
3. A Top central midfielder
Completely disagree with this. He's one of our best players. Emery has hardly played him though which isn't Ozil's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
Personally I'd rather Emery start using him but I guess if Emery's not going to not play him then he should sell him, it's ridiculous to have a player on those wages sitting on the bench.
If him and Ramsey going it weakens our squad and needs addressing.
He has become a regular again in the past few months but when you can’t rely on Ozil away from home (even more so than the others) then I can see why he’s been dropped. 5 goals and 2 assists from 23 PL games is piss poor. On paper he’s one of our best players but it doesn’t translate onto the pitch enough.
Those stats are pretty damning, admittedly. Still think if used in the right way we could get a lot more out of him. Dropping him to the bench so often this season can't have helped him. Agree he hasn't delivered often enough this season though.
I'm done with Ozil tbh. Been mind fucked by him one too many times.
He can be a great player on his day but we don't get enough from him anymore and haven't done for a few years now.
Other clubs get so much more from their key players, it's sickening.
There's definitely a mentality issue at Arsenal. I'm not convinced replacing him with another player of similar quality is going to solve that.
Would prefer to replace him with a more direct and effective player who can operate from wide areas and do the one thing that seems to be a lost art these days, cross the bloody ball well. We've got 2 strikers who need a constant supply line, they're both probably good enough to get 50 goals a season between them, so lets play to their strengths.
Iwobi with enough coaching can probably do what Ozil does in terms of drifting into space and passing between the lines, even Torreria gets us moving forward quickly so I don't think Ozil is providing anything unique. Ozil's assists have long dried up, he doesn't really combine well with anyone now. You'd have to go back a few years to Alexis and Giroud for when Ozil was really making a difference up top but even that was short lived.
It’s about finding players that do have a better mentality. Although, that generally comes with spending a lot of money, as the best players with mental strength tend to arrive at the top end of the game. It’s either that, or spotting them early doors before they land at a big club. But given we haven’t replaced Sven and won’t in time for the summer, it’s not looking good at the moment.
I would make them both available on a free, we need to shift Ozil and Mikhi real quick. Our wage cap is killing us right now and tbh their contribution on the pitch no way justifies th wages we're paying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
Regardless of Ozil’s wage he has two years left on his contract and as he isn’t signing a new one, he has to be moved on. Same with Miki.
Although it seems like Wenger was right - more and more players are happy to see out their contracts to get the bigger payday at the end.
How much is Nicholas Pepe going to cost us? :d
I agree. the money saved on salary is like a transfer fee. ozil is the reason ramsey is leaving, ramsey when fit at least tries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maestro
Add Xhaka to that long list, useless fool
we should just have a dfs style sale. sell anyone we receive a decent offer for. start from a blank slate.
Yes with the exception of:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumble
Bellerin
Laca
Auba
Leno
Holding
Sokratis
Guendouzi (on the basis he can get better)
Nelson
Everyone else can go IMO - though i am only including Kos in that as i just want him to retire while he can.still walk
Sell virtually whoever we need to to sign Pepe from Lille.
Get in Rabiot on a free and pay him the salary saved on Rambo plus whoever else may go. He's been linked to Barca but they have De Jong coming in for big money and think they will be satisfied with that and look for an attacker after.
Then sign a Centre half of the right profile, good age, athletic, aggressive and can head a bloody ball.... Uppercano? Manolas?
Then get rid of;
Ospina
Chambers
Jenkinson
Welbeck (going anyways)
Rambo (going anyways)
Cech (going anyways)
Lichsteiner
Elneny is something of a nothing player but low wages, low resources and wont command a huge fee so no need to desperately sell.
Kos and Monreal I'd keep for experience and to avoid having to replace too many players.
Mhki and Ozil ......not sure who will realistically take them off our hands so Emery needs to stop wasting time and work out how to integrate them properly and maximise their qualities. It was already reported that Ozil turned down China and PSG so who the hell else would sign him.
There's so many players to clear out in this squad it's unreal, there's barely anyone worth keeping, Wenger really left us in a terrible state, the reality is we need to start again with this squad but don't have the funds to do so so we'll probably keep hold of a lot of the players who just don't cut it.
What about Mustafi and Xhaka, surely those two have to go, I would have happily seen them released on frees' but we stupidly renewed Xhakas' contract last summer (one of the worst decisions possible), so now we're stuck with his calamitous errors every other match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
I forgot to say Mustafi. Fuhk me I must have been tired!
I wanted him gone this time last year.
Xhaka I want us to improve on, but ultimately he's lower down the priority list.
No, Xhaka has to go, we simply can't afford to have someone who makes the kind of mistakes he does regularly, i'm convinced his actions have cost us way more points than they've gained usQuote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
He's useless, we need to get rid of him, he's actually a liability, likely to givewaway a goal at any time, would rather we never played him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
I'm not holding too much hope out for the transfer window, we seem to have nobody and are stuck with a bunch of average players we'll struggle to get rid of, there's just too many to replace. It looks like we'll have very little money, the owner just doesn't care at all, I'm not sure where we go from here, we held onto Wenger for far too long, we got rid of him at the worst time really, after he'd spent all the money and had signed rubbish and left us with barely any quality.
Should be a warning to all clubs that holding onto a manager too long has a massive impact on a club and can affect it's chances for many years after they leave.
I'm not sure where we go from here tbh.
The only assets we have are about 4-5 high quality players and the stadium - but we need the owners to start taking serious notice before our previous successes fade too far into the backgroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Özim
i almost wonder if we'd be better off not winning the EL, so the owners would realise they had to take action, especially given the success of the other top clubs
i'm willing to bet that if we win the EL and scrape through it to the CL they'll think it's all ok and won't invest or seriously scrutinise Emery's performance
I can only really think of Lacazette who would command a significant sum, Aubameyang is 30 so his value would have dropped, Bellerin we might get 40 million for (but in todays market that's not a lot and we'd need to replace him as well), Torreira we might get a bit for, but he's been hit and miss as well this season so we wouldn't get a ge amount for him and again would need to replace him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
Who else is there who would command more than 25 odd million in reality?
On top of that we can't really afford to sell these guys, because they won't raise big funds and replacing them would cost nearly as much anyway and also because without them we'd be really poor. There's no Coutinho in our team we could sell for 140 million unfortunately.
I honestly don't think the owner cares and that's the problem, he's making money, he never comes to matches, talks to the cameras about Arsenal, he's not interested in football, he's really the worst kind of owner, one that is a businessman and has no interest in football at all (it's always better to have someone who enjoys the sport).
I don't think we'll get much money in the summer and to be honest there's so much that needs replacing as well, a fair few we probably couldn't give away.
yes, sorry by assets i was talking more about what we have currently that is in our favour in terms of owners investing in our future as a top club - i don't think for a moment we should sell our top players at all. i'd much rather a big clear-out fof the lesser-quality ones though as otheres have said, i don't know how realistic that will be
and in terms of attracting more high-quality players - even if we had a decent transfer budget, why would players who want to win things come to us? They could see we do have some top players plus a big modern stadium - but that's about it...
Yes I agree, but sadly I don't see the owner investing and there lies the problem for us, we need money to bring in quality but the owner seems to have no interest in putting money in which leaves us in a difficult position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
We don't really have that many up and coming players, we got 1 or 2 maybe but who knows if they will make it.
Regarding attracting players, if we don't qualify for the CL we'll probably struggle with that too, I think our reputation has taken a real hit in the last 10 years too, top players don't see us as challengers, the only reason you'd come now is for money so we'd have to pay them a lot but with our high wage bill that would be tough too.
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
And this is why getting rid of Wenger, although necessary, was no silver bullet.
Gary called this years ago, he knew about Kronke from his American franchises.
I think I read that Kronke is the only owner in the PL who hasn’t put in any of his own money.
We should sign Manolas and Umtitty
Getting the right man in would have improved things. Greatly, depending on the individualQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Kroenkes money isnt needed if he is not taking money out of the club, which now he is perfectly entitled to.
What I want to know, is where all the money we had 3 years ago went to. Was it all on Ozils wages. How do West Ham and Fulham get to spend more money than us. This club is really badly managed.
It’s probably all still sat there somewhere - we just can’t really use it for anything until there’s room to add to the wage bill again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Globalgunner
The new Adidas deal should buy us some room to manoeuvre, as should losing Ramsey, Welbeck, Cech and Lichsteiner, but we shouldn’t let it stop there - that wage bill is out of control and needs to be reeled in...
You've essentially made my argument for me and stated why we can't get rid of Xhaka without saying the words 'we can't get rid of Xhaka'. Nobody is going to pay us decent money for him and whatever we did get for him, will be half the amount it will cost us to replace him with a player who progresses the ball as well. IF......we can manage to bring Rabiot in, then fine.......but there aren't many players of that calibre knocking around. And as a free agent it's him who has the power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
If we had kept Santi as we should have done, I'd sooner see him walk around the pitch for 90 minutes than see Xhaka chasing shadows and playing hospital passes half the time. But we didn't keep him.
CB And a wide player with a serious goal threat come before a midfielder IMO.
Surely he is out of our price range right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice
Mind you the tabloids keep linking us with him and Zaha, both players are rumoured to have 60m+ price tags on their head.
No idea what our real transfer budget is...though I can't get excited because I do think we will need to do a BIG cull before we start bringing players in.
Yep, Wenger left us right in the shit with this squad. It's ironic that he use to preach on about "value for money" and "self sustainability" yet he left us a squad of players nobody wants to touch who are all on high wages, it's actually laughable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Özim
Let this sink in, we couldn't get rid of Mustafi last season...what's the betting his stock is even lower now? He's on over 100k per week too!
As others have stated, the Mkhi and Ozil wage situations are disturbing. We are going to really struggle to move these guys on.
Many of our squad players are literally on the scrapheap, Jenkinson is going to be difficult to move on, I read somewhere his wage is 70k per week!!!!
Unless PSG sign him..... I don't really see why he should be out of our price range. Real will be focused on Hazard, Chelsea have Pulisic and are banned from buying this summer. City will look to replace Fernandinho and most of the others we should be able to compete with.Quote:
Originally Posted by selassie
I have no doubt he'd cost a lot though, but that's why I think we should be looking at 2-3 core players that can make a difference and take us to the next level and not fantasising over a mass exodus style clear out with about 15 players to replace.
Let's take an optimistic view..... Adidas give us 30 million on top of our 70 million. Sell Chambers for 20, Mustafi for 10. That's 130 million.
I'd be willing to spend half of that on Pepe. Then you have 60-70 on a top centre half and a midfielder......and more if you get Rabiot on a free.