Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

It’s illogical to make out that Wenger is a fall guy and Ivan is dropping him into expecting him just to take it. This is Wenger’s final year of his contact and they should be keeping him sweet. Also, I doubt Ivan would have taken his time to address the bloggers and fans if he didn’t give a shit. Even the slickest politician and business knows how to play it smart and keep people on side.

Plus, I can't understand why you of all people would be against boycotting games or belittling people that choose to spend their cash elsewhere.

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It's really difficult having any kind of discussion with you because whatever is said you ignore it and then create the other side of the argument so you can knock it down. I didn't say Gazidis was dumping Wenger in it. I said both guys have their roles to play. And PR is all about presenting information in a way that will be appealing to a specific target audience. Sometimes you send that message directly, other times you send it indirectly.

The last sentence is just crazy. Twice I have said I understand the personal position of people who don't want to play along with the corporate agenda. I said in addition it doesn't mean a shit to the corporation, that's not the same thing as me agreeing with that corporation and it certainly isn't belittling the protester. This is your problem. If people don't agree 100% with your position you take the areas of disagreement and magnify them tenfold to try and make your opponent's position seem ridiculous. That's not an honest way to argue.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I do find the arguments about the board being satisfied with just 4th somewhat illogical, firstly if that was the case than they would have invested more in the squad simply to guarantee that fourth place finish and they certainly wouldn't be pleased with Wenger for cutting it so fine in the last two seasons

Second of all when you are marketing something for making money you don't forget that your selling a product and the product in question is a football club, and with business as with everything else perception is key and sponsorship and business investment is more likely to be forthcoming for a club that has on the field success, and this is why there are clubs in Europe whose oversea marketing is far, far superior to ours and generally our record profits come from player sales.
That is mainly because Ivan Gazidis is an incompitent cretin....not because we have won zero silverware under his tenure or he has not really overseen any marquee signings (which isn't anything to do with his role at the club anyway) but because the guy has been a big failure at marketing the club.

If however this rumoured Puma deal comes to fruition alongside the re-negotiations with Emirates Airline for the stadium sponsorship he will have gone some way towards redeeming himself, although i don't believe the sheer level of muppetry that caused him to try and broker business negotiations with a Russian Telekoms company without bothering to do any research (which had he bothered to do so would have shown that this company was owned by personna non grata Alisher Usmanov) can be easily forgotten.

Which leads me to my next point if they are so concerned with running the club at minimal cost to maximise profit only why would they not accept Alisher Usmanov's offered hand out especially if he claims that the offer comes without strings attached.
The point has been made that even if a mass boycott ensued that the club would not care because of the amount of corporate investment it would garner through marketing the club to foreign fans (such as the far east), firstly i don't see how this would be tenable long-term unless the club was succesful in winning trophies because foreigners who have no geographic or emotional ties to the club will just jump ship and support a more succesful club at the first oportunity.
Secondly the same point is made somewhat self-contradictory that the promises of marquee signings ensured that Season tickets were renewed and so fans would accept the high ticket prices levied on them, so really if 4th was all it was about and the fans were unimportant why bother promising them anything in the first place.

I think it is down to Wenger on this occasion and i am not even entirely convinced by the argument that he is only afraid to make big signings because he is afraid that even with large investment he doesn't have the ability to win silverware. I don't think confidence has ever been Wenger's problem i think his problem is stubborn failure to adapt and to an extent a failure to take on board the counsel of others, Wenger is essentially i believe buying into his own bullshit that would make spending on a large scale a form of cheating in his eyes....i think he is actually entrenched in his own puritanical philosophy. And the board naturally cautious are unwilling to push him too much towards the big money signings they think the team needs, and they would like the club to have in order to market the club abroad that much more successfully. Simply because they are afraid that he won't sign a new contract and they don't see anyone around that can take on the responsibility that Wenger has.

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Nicely put! Some logic.

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I do find the arguments about the board being satisfied with just 4th somewhat illogical, firstly if that was the case than they would have invested more in the squad simply to guarantee that fourth place finish and they certainly wouldn't be pleased with Wenger for cutting it so fine in the last two seasons

Second of all when you are marketing something for making money you don't forget that your selling a product and the product in question is a football club, and with business as with everything else perception is key and sponsorship and business investment is more likely to be forthcoming for a club that has on the field success, and this is why there are clubs in Europe whose oversea marketing is far, far superior to ours and generally our record profits come from player sales.
That is mainly because Ivan Gazidis is an incompitent cretin....not because we have won zero silverware under his tenure or he has not really overseen any marquee signings (which isn't anything to do with his role at the club anyway) but because the guy has been a big failure at marketing the club.

If however this rumoured Puma deal comes to fruition alongside the re-negotiations with Emirates Airline for the stadium sponsorship he will have gone some way towards redeeming himself, although i don't believe the sheer level of muppetry that caused him to try and broker business negotiations with a Russian Telekoms company without bothering to do any research (which had he bothered to do so would have shown that this company was owned by personna non grata Alisher Usmanov) can be easily forgotten.

Which leads me to my next point if they are so concerned with running the club at minimal cost to maximise profit only why would they not accept Alisher Usmanov's offered hand out especially if he claims that the offer comes without strings attached.
The point has been made that even if a mass boycott ensued that the club would not care because of the amount of corporate investment it would garner through marketing the club to foreign fans (such as the far east), firstly i don't see how this would be tenable long-term unless the club was succesful in winning trophies because foreigners who have no geographic or emotional ties to the club will just jump ship and support a more succesful club at the first oportunity.
Secondly the same point is made somewhat self-contradictory that the promises of marquee signings ensured that Season tickets were renewed and so fans would accept the high ticket prices levied on them, so really if 4th was all it was about and the fans were unimportant why bother promising them anything in the first place.

I think it is down to Wenger on this occasion and i am not even entirely convinced by the argument that he is only afraid to make big signings because he is afraid that even with large investment he doesn't have the ability to win silverware. I don't think confidence has ever been Wenger's problem i think his problem is stubborn failure to adapt and to an extent a failure to take on board the counsel of others, Wenger is essentially i believe buying into his own bullshit that would make spending on a large scale a form of cheating in his eyes....i think he is actually entrenched in his own puritanical philosophy. And the board naturally cautious are unwilling to push him too much towards the big money signings they think the team needs, and they would like the club to have in order to market the club abroad that much more successfully. Simply because they are afraid that he won't sign a new contract and they don't see anyone around that can take on the responsibility that Wenger has.

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As an example, why do banks have Indian call centres when their customers very plainly don't want them?

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/07...-on-the-table/

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No.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

It's really difficult having any kind of discussion with you because whatever is said you ignore it and then create the other side of the argument so you can knock it down. I didn't say Gazidis was dumping Wenger in it. I said both guys have their roles to play. And PR is all about presenting information in a way that will be appealing to a specific target audience. Sometimes you send that message directly, other times you send it indirectly.

The last sentence is just crazy. Twice I have said I understand the personal position of people who don't want to play along with the corporate agenda. I said in addition it doesn't mean a shit to the corporation, that's not the same thing as me agreeing with that corporation and it certainly isn't belittling the protester. This is your problem. If people don't agree 100% with your position you take the areas of disagreement and magnify them tenfold to try and make your opponent's position seem ridiculous. That's not an honest way to argue.

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Don't start with the 'this is your problem' talk. Make a stronger case or clarify your position. If we're talking in the realms of business, what your saying doesn't make any sense at all.

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Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss

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why not?

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Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss

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At least try to insert a shred of believability into your absurd transfer bullshit masquerading as an article.

Even two-bit drug dealers and Simon Cowell take more pride in their scummy work.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

As an example, why do banks have Indian call centres when their customers very plainly don't want them?

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I'm struggling to understand what point of mine that actually answers, yes of course big companies don't act in the interest of their customers and are about maximising profit......but firstly as i've said the best way to actually do that is to make your product sellable (in this instance a football club, and corporate sponsorship and business deals are going to be more forthcoming with success).
Stan Kroenke won't actually gain any dividends from us withholding transfer money, he surely is only going to make a profit from the club increasing it's share value.....and this is going to happen with better commerical deals which come as a result of on the field success.

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Malaga manager Bernd Schuster has told Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner to forget about money and focus on getting his career back on track.

Bendtner has fallen badly out of favour at the Emirates and the Dane endured a nightmare year on loan at Juventus last season, making just 10 appearancesand failing to find the net.

Bendtner’s wage demands have already scuppered a move to German side Frankfurt, and Schuster says they are making a deal impossible for Malaga too.

“It’s a very difficult economic issue for the club, it’s almost impossible, we are not at that level,” Schuster is quoted as saying in El Mundo.

Schuster remains keen on the 25-year-old, however, and believes a good year at Malaga could see him secure a new lucrative contract.

“He wants to keep earning money,” he added. “He is a player who has not done too well in recent years, he needs to make up ground but he has to decide what he wants to do, make up ground or keep making money.

“That’s where we are. I favour the first option, to make up ground, have a great year with Malaga and then make money again.”

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http://www.london24.com/sport/arsena...oney_1_2306871

I wonder if this will get through to the moran.