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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

There’s nothing I’ve seen that gives me any hope that we will improve under Arteta

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I dunno. We have 66 points, 8 more than at this stage last season. If we win at the weekend we'll finish on 69 - still 8 points better off than last year and that would have been enough for 4th last year.
There does seem to have been a bit more shape about the team, at times we've moved the ball forward with more purpose. We lack a top striker but that's not news. And we have got better at closing out games. They're a young squad and that costs you points, I certainly see some potential in this lot.
I don't agree that the players aren't buying in to what he's trying to do. Maybe some of them didn't and he got rid of them. As he should have. Auba was trouble and he wasn't performing for us. Didn't he turn up late for the NLD and Arteta dropped him? He was supposed to been our captrain FFS.
But Arteta did take a massive risk by letting him go, and some others, and not adding to the squad in January. It left us threadbare and very vulnerable if we picked up injuries, which we did.

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Why the hell were the players so nervous last night

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That is a worry but I guess it was inexperience which led to an inability to deal with the pressure. Hopefully on Sunday they'll relax now things aren't in our hands. I don't think Norwich will do us any favours but I hope we at least get our result just in case.

I can only infer from the new contract that Kronke set Europa League qualification as Arteta's target. The announcement came pretty much immediately after that was secured.

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All I know is that 31 defeats in 95 league games coupled with only 143 goals scored in that time is absolutely abysmal record

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Hard to argue with, but to be fair look at the mess he inherited. He's got rid of a lot of dead wood since then and given the team more shape.
We do lose too many games but the number we are winning has increased too. Two seasons ago we only won 14 (holy shit that's awful!). Last year it was 18. This year it's 21, could end up 22. Let's not forget just two years ago we finished on 56 points.

I think he's trying to build something. I do think there's been some improvement over the last couple of years. It might not be fast enough for everyone's liking but I don't want to be another one of those clubs with a revolving door for managers. We don't want to be overly patient either of course, next year it's top 4 or bust for me. But I think Arteta deserves another season to try and achieve that.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I dunno. We have 66 points, 8 more than at this stage last season. If we win at the weekend we'll finish on 69 - still 8 points better off than last year and that would have been enough for 4th last year.
There does seem to have been a bit more shape about the team, at times we've moved the ball forward with more purpose. We lack a top striker but that's not news. And we have got better at closing out games. They're a young squad and that costs you points, I certainly see some potential in this lot.
I don't agree that the players aren't buying in to what he's trying to do. Maybe some of them didn't and he got rid of them. As he should have. Auba was trouble and he wasn't performing for us. Didn't he turn up late for the NLD and Arteta dropped him? He was supposed to been our captrain FFS.
But Arteta did take a massive risk by letting him go, and some others, and not adding to the squad in January. It left us threadbare and very vulnerable if we picked up injuries, which we did.


That is a worry but I guess it was inexperience which led to an inability to deal with the pressure. Hopefully on Sunday they'll relax now things aren't in our hands. I don't think Norwich will do us any favours but I hope we at least get our result just in case.

I can only infer from the new contract that Kronke set Europa League qualification as Arteta's target. The announcement came pretty much immediately after that was secured.


Hard to argue with, but to be fair look at the mess he inherited. He's got rid of a lot of dead wood since then and given the team more shape.
We do lose too many games but the number we are winning has increased too. Two seasons ago we only won 14 (holy shit that's awful!). Last year it was 18. This year it's 21, could end up 22. Let's not forget just two years ago we finished on 56 points.

I think he's trying to build something. I do think there's been some improvement over the last couple of years. It might not be fast enough for everyone's liking but I don't want to be another one of those clubs with a revolving door for managers. We don't want to be overly patient either of course, next year it's top 4 or bust for me. But I think Arteta deserves another season to try and achieve that.

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If the Spuds actually won the Champions League (we cannot dismiss that if Kane, Son and Conte all stay put), the fans would never forgive Arteta and the players for handing 4th place to them. I think even you may actually join the "Arteta out" brigade :lol:

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Originally Posted by Chippy

If the Spuds actually won the Champions League (we cannot dismiss that if Kane, Son and Conte all stay put), the fans would never forgive Arteta and the players for handing 4th place to them. I think even you may actually join the "Arteta out" brigade :lol:

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That's not going to happen

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Originally Posted by Bumble

That's not going to happen

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Careful...

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Originally Posted by Letters

I dunno. We have 66 points, 8 more than at this stage last season. If we win at the weekend we'll finish on 69 - still 8 points better off than last year and that would have been enough for 4th last year.
There does seem to have been a bit more shape about the team, at times we've moved the ball forward with more purpose. We lack a top striker but that's not news. And we have got better at closing out games. They're a young squad and that costs you points, I certainly see some potential in this lot.
I don't agree that the players aren't buying in to what he's trying to do. Maybe some of them didn't and he got rid of them. As he should have. Auba was trouble and he wasn't performing for us. Didn't he turn up late for the NLD and Arteta dropped him? He was supposed to been our captrain FFS.
But Arteta did take a massive risk by letting him go, and some others, and not adding to the squad in January. It left us threadbare and very vulnerable if we picked up injuries, which we did.


That is a worry but I guess it was inexperience which led to an inability to deal with the pressure. Hopefully on Sunday they'll relax now things aren't in our hands. I don't think Norwich will do us any favours but I hope we at least get our result just in case.

I can only infer from the new contract that Kronke set Europa League qualification as Arteta's target. The announcement came pretty much immediately after that was secured.


Hard to argue with, but to be fair look at the mess he inherited. He's got rid of a lot of dead wood since then and given the team more shape.
We do lose too many games but the number we are winning has increased too. Two seasons ago we only won 14 (holy shit that's awful!). Last year it was 18. This year it's 21, could end up 22. Let's not forget just two years ago we finished on 56 points.

I think he's trying to build something. I do think there's been some improvement over the last couple of years. It might not be fast enough for everyone's liking but I don't want to be another one of those clubs with a revolving door for managers. We don't want to be overly patient either of course, next year it's top 4 or bust for me. But I think Arteta deserves another season to try and achieve that.

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Not much to disagree with there.

I understand the furstration, and am as gutted as the next man by our implosion when it really mattered, but in the cold light of day 2 days after the Newcastle debacle the only issue that I really have with the manager is that his drastic culling of the squad left us threadbare and simply unable to cope with what we have to accept was an injury crisis at the sharp end of the season. The rest of the criticism can be answered mostly by the reality that we are an inexperienced team with a manager who is learning on the job. Inconsistency was inevitable. People can take issue with the appointment of a rookie manager but when you look at the team that we have put out for the last 8 games it is surprising that we were in the race for top 4 until the penultimate game of the season.

This is not lack of ambition from me. It is simply recognition of where we are.

Where I have some hope is that our team and strategy this season was based on recruiting young players with potential, rather than the finished article. This was deliberate and part of a long term strategy to build a foundation for future success, and when the noise has died down I think that it will remain the case that we are still maybe the best destination for top young talent wanting to try to achieve things with a manager committed to this ideal. Not taking our chance to accelerate this team's development by reaching the CL is a setback, but it is not in context the disaster that some are making it out to be.

I still feel a bit disillusioned with how my emotional backing of this team has turned out (it's the hope that always kills with Arsenal), but looking forwards, we are in better shape than we have been for 5 years and like Letters I think that Arteta has earned the right to see whether this progress will contunue next season.

Happy enough to give him another year, on the basis that we will sign some players who can make a difference up front. Also would like to see the relationship with Saliba mended and have him part of the squad now.

If we start the season under prepared again then my patience might run thin. It’s always our biggest problem, starting slow and taking an age to get going. I want the signings wrapped up early so they actually have a pre-season to work with.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

Careful...

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Indeed. We were shitting ourselves when they got to the final in 2019 :lol:

I was anyway!

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Originally Posted by Chippy

Indeed. We were shitting ourselves when they got to the final in 2019 :lol:

I was anyway!

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it was horrible - i only dared look at the result at about 11pm that night - was so relieved

Klopp :bow:

I have wanted him gone since November 2020, and I’ve yet to be convinced that this was precipitous. If it was up to me he and Edu would be out on their arses right now. But it’s not up to me, I have no choice but to be patient with him because he isn’t going anywhere so I can only hope that what I regard as utter dismal failure is turned around and we can break this cycle where we dip into long running losing streaks or failing to score goals.
I don’t see it because I think it’s a reflection of who he is, doesn’t inspire confidence in his players and he is an insecure egotist who is neither liked or respected by his players.

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Originally Posted by Mac76

it was horrible - i only dared look at the result at about 11pm that night - was so relieved

Klopp :bow:

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Possibly arrogant/dismissive of me, but whilst I was deflated when they turned the game around in Amsterdam at no point did I ever believe they would ever win in the final even when they were on top of Liverpool in big parts of that game.
I celebrated when Origi got the second goal but it wasn’t relief it was just confirmation of what I expected to happen