Samir Nasri - this is worth putting in this section

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

When the fans start getting paid £100K a week by the players then we can talk about the fans' responsibilities. Regardless of our shitty board the club has still managed to place itself within striking distance of honours on several occasions. Certainly, we collapsed. Who's fault? The fans?

No. The fault lies with the board (no argument there), the manager and the players. Please let's not try to lay the blame at the fans' doorstep.

If we could have had a whole season out of Nasri and Chamakh and Ramsey and Sagna and you can keep on naming them, we'd have the honours this little cunt is talking about by now. But in Na$ri's case he decided to provide half a season. He's certainly not the only guilty party but he carries plenty of the guilt because he was supposedly one of our key players. So he decided to go missing when it really matters and then turn around and accuse the club if having a lack of ambition. Excuse me? The title was there in his hands and in the hands of all the rest of them. They opted to collapse.

Na$ri decided it was too hard to do the hard things. So he gave his patently bullshit excuse about seeking honours and then ran off to the highest bidder. Was it his ambition to sit on the bench then? Because there was always going to be more chance of that happening at a comedy club like City. What do you call an alleged footballer who would opt to spend more timer on the bench provided the cash compensated? A man with ambition?

My post makes perfect sense. The people who are prepared to understand a greedy cunt who doesn't have the balls to deliver in return for his huge pay packet and runs for the easy, highest paid option are the ones who need a re-think.

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All that gas and you applaud the return of Henry in the same breath. It's bullshit.

They didn't choose to collapse, the team were incapable of winning it. We had injuries as usual, but didn't buy. We don't have option off the bench so we quite often run our players into the red zone where fatigue kicks in. I'm not blaming the fans, just saying some fans are stupid. I don't care if it's 100k or £5 an hour, nobody with ambition would stay with a company that's always trying to cut corners and offers lower wages compared to their rivals.

No player wants to sit on the bench, but when you have good players in front of you and your on the bench, it forces you to dig deep and do what you can to be in the starting 11. That's part of the reason why Cesc moved to Barca. He could have been comfortable all his life here, but wanted the challenge at Barca. The same could be argued for Nasri. I don't really care too much about the player. He's gone! But it annoys me to see such double standards. It's stupid and your talking rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

All that gas and you applaud the return of Henry in the same breath. It's bullshit.

They didn't choose to collapse, the team were incapable of winning it. We had injuries as usual, but didn't buy. We don't have option off the bench so we quite often run our players into the red zone where fatigue kicks in. I'm not blaming the fans, just saying some fans are stupid. I don't care if it's 100k or £5 an hour, nobody with ambition would stay with a company that's always trying to cut corners and offers lower wages compared to their rivals.

No player wants to sit on the bench, but when you have good players in front of you and your on the bench, it forces you to dig deep and do what you can to be in the starting 11. That's part of the reason why Cesc moved to Barca. He could have been comfortable all his life here, but wanted the challenge at Barca. The same could be argued for Nasri. I don't really care too much about the player. He's gone! But it annoys me to see such double standards. It's stupid and your talking rubbish.

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That's the same Henry who spent the top years of his career with this club and became our record goalscorer? Or some other Henry? If you;re drawing any sort of comparison between Henry and Na$ri then you're too far gone to argue with.

Of course they chose to collapse. Everything is a choice. You may not get what you choose but the only chance you'll get it is if you endeavour to succeed. You can make every excuse under the sun, but if a club can spend half a season winning and then the latter half performing at relegation standards there's more to it than the injuries which every club has to content with. Eventually, when all the excuses are taken on board and a deficit remains, you have to point to the players and ask why? Na$ri was one of those players. A key player. As I've said, if he didn't have the balls for Arsenal he still had Utd as an option. They have been lacking a quality midfielder all season. Who do you think would be playing there if Na$ri had really been motivated by football?

In the case of Fabregas, he was never, ever going to be a bench warmer at Barca. That was just the bitterness coming out from the fans, understandable but again we're not talking about the same type of player. Not by a long stretch. He took a pay cut to go didn't he? Back to his country of birth, to the top team in his country. Why didn't City bid for Fabregas? Because they knew they had zero chance no matter how much money they offered.

Don't try to rope that cunt Na$ri in with players who have character, that's way too far a stretch.

Finally, that part about digging deeper and surpassing the good players in front of you. Well look at Na$ri now. He sure rose to that challenge, didn't he? Like I said, no ambition for anything bar money. That's what all the facts indicate. This isn't even a hard one to figure out. What's hard to figure is why anyone would "understand" a cunt like Na$ri.

The fans know the score, at least most of them do. It;s no coincidence that players like Henry, Pires, Cesc, Adams even Eduardo get applauded when they return. Equally it's no coincidence that cunts like Cashley and Na$ri get slaughtered. You can fool some of the people all of the time, but most get it.

The half a season thing is definitely a point I agree with, he should have pushed himself further as one of our key players and I'm also peeved at that outcome. But we're talking about the overall direction of the club. That direction has been in place before Nasri appeared, and continues to be after him. His individual performances were only a small part of that.

Coming close and collapsing is one of the reason why he's justified in seeking honours elsewhere. For years we've known this team doesn't have the balls or the mental strength of the former wining teams to see out a season and win things, its happened time and time again but what has been done about it? We still haven't STRENGTHENED ENOUGH to be in a position to change it. The players bear some responsibility but it is primarily a problem of the manager and the board. Do we see this type of collapse when it gets to the crunch from Alex Ferguson's teams?

You seem to be personally very bitter towards Nasri, so I'm not sure you're looking at the whole situation from an objective point of view. One comment you made was a bit strange as well:

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And anyone who "understands" him may well understand what football has become but they have no fucking clue about what football ought to be and once was.

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What is that supposed to mean? Am I less of a fan than you because I don't hate Nasri?

There is no way that staying and signing a new contract with us and 'grinding it out' as you say, becoming a bigger fish in a smaller pond is more ambitious than going to a club aiming for trophies, when you know that such a club you're at is stagnating and making little progress. Sure you can play out of your skin and do your bit to help but when you see another club building a better squad and aiming higher, I have no problems with that, I just wish it was us (without the extremes of the takeovers and salaries).

In that squad you become a big fish within a pond of other big fishes. If anything that is more ambitious because you have to show your worth, you have to prove that you're capable of fitting in and challenging them to a starting place, rather than being an automatic starter. It doesn't seem to have worked out for him in the sense that he isn't a preferred starter by Mancini, but whatever's happened at city is his own issue to work out; but the aim of going there (money aside) cannot be so easily dismissed as as having no ambition. As I said it does not matter if it was city or united. They are both at the top looking down at us from a great height, and until that changes, I think Nasri will be right.

as nq said, if you think nasri is motivated for honours and wants to play for city regulary then everytime he played he would be busting a gut to get the ball and make something happen. the only time i noticed him against united was when he was subbed off, even city fans are turning against him because he puts in fuck all effort, makes nothing happen. he had one good game against the scum in august but since then, has done nothing. so much that when he is on the pitch no one notices him.

also zimm, if you think wenger is happy with fourth place and pats himself on the back then you are an idiot. everyone could clearly see how angry and frustrated he was by his antics on the touchline last season that the team failed.

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Originally Posted by Tipsychubbs

The half a season thing is definitely a point I agree with, he should have pushed himself further as one of our key players and I'm also peeved at that outcome. But we're talking about the overall direction of the club. That direction has been in place before Nasri appeared, and continues to be after him. His individual performances were only a small part of that.

Coming close and collapsing is one of the reason why he's justified in seeking honours elsewhere. For years we've known this team doesn't have the balls or the mental strength of the former wining teams to see out a season and win things, its happened time and time again but what has been done about it? We still haven't STRENGTHENED ENOUGH to be in a position to change it. The players bear some responsibility but it is primarily a problem of the manager and the board. Do we see this type of collapse when it gets to the crunch from Alex Ferguson's teams?

You seem to be personally very bitter towards Nasri, so I'm not sure you're looking at the whole situation from an objective point of view. One comment you made was a bit strange as well:



What is that supposed to mean? Am I less of a fan than you because I don't hate Nasri?

There is no way that staying and signing a new contract with us and 'grinding it out' as you say, becoming a bigger fish in a smaller pond is more ambitious than going to a club aiming for trophies, when you know that such a club you're at is stagnating and making little progress. Sure you can play out of your skin and do your bit to help but when you see another club building a better squad and aiming higher, I have no problems with that, I just wish it was us (without the extremes of the takeovers and salaries).

In that squad you become a big fish within a pond of other big fishes. If anything that is more ambitious because you have to show your worth, you have to prove that you're capable of fitting in and challenging them to a starting place, rather than being an automatic starter. It doesn't seem to have worked out for him in the sense that he isn't a preferred starter by Mancini, but whatever's happened at city is his own issue to work out; but the aim of going there (money aside) cannot be so easily dismissed as as having no ambition. As I said it does not matter if it was city or united. They are both at the top looking down at us from a great height, and until that changes, I think Nasri will be right.

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No, I don't in any way mean you are less of a fan. I mean there are people who take the shit that's going on in the world far too readily. Whether it's banker's bailouts, illegal wars underpinned by pathetic excuses that a 2 year old would give or greedy fucking players, owners, media companies that are ruining football. It's perhaps acceptable to say, that's how it is, I can't do anything about that. But it's fucked up to say I understand it. I mean you can even understand it provided excuses aren't made for the selfish cunts who are fucking things up.

I don't disagree at all about the lack of investment. You'll find my posts all over the forum slaughtering the scum who are responsible for that. But we're talking about Na$ri. If he wanted to leave then fine, he should have shut his fucking mouth and moved on. But he tried to bullshit the fans with his ambition shit. And by doing that he shit on the club that had allowed him to make his name and paid him handsomely in the process. What did he give us in return? Fuck all. As I have said, not entirely his fault, far from it. But he carries a good share of the blame as one of our key players. If he wants to talk about failure then he should look in the mirror. And where was his ambition when he was hiding out for the latter half of last season? He's full of shit and he's now a hate figure because he decided to open his mouth.

And what has Mr Ambition achieved? Well he got the money, there's no doubt about that. But now even the City fans are asking why they paid so much for such an anonymous bastard. Where's his ambition now? He might very well ride in on the Arab's coattails and share in whatever trophies they buy. Big deal. Fine, if that's what he wants then that's what he can get even if he does it from the bench. So the cunt could have moved along into his new "ambitious" environment and just shut the fuck up about the real challenge he was leaving behind. He didn't, he chose to flap that cunt gob of his and the rest is history.

Do I understand him? Absolutely. Is he a cunt? Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

That's the same Henry who spent the top years of his career with this club and became our record goalscorer? Or some other Henry? If you;re drawing any sort of comparison between Henry and Na$ri then you're too far gone to argue with.

Of course they chose to collapse. Everything is a choice. You may not get what you choose but the only chance you'll get it is if you endeavour to succeed. You can make every excuse under the sun, but if a club can spend half a season winning and then the latter half performing at relegation standards there's more to it than the injuries which every club has to content with. Eventually, when all the excuses are taken on board and a deficit remains, you have to point to the players and ask why? Na$ri was one of those players. A key player. As I've said, if he didn't have the balls for Arsenal he still had Utd as an option. They have been lacking a quality midfielder all season. Who do you think would be playing there if Na$ri had really been motivated by football?

In the case of Fabregas, he was never, ever going to be a bench warmer at Barca. That was just the bitterness coming out from the fans, understandable but again we're not talking about the same type of player. Not by a long stretch. He took a pay cut to go didn't he? Back to his country of birth, to the top team in his country. Why didn't City bid for Fabregas? Because they knew they had zero chance no matter how much money they offered.

Don't try to rope that cunt Na$ri in with players who have character, that's way too far a stretch.

Finally, that part about digging deeper and surpassing the good players in front of you. Well look at Na$ri now. He sure rose to that challenge, didn't he? Like I said, no ambition for anything bar money. That's what all the facts indicate. This isn't even a hard one to figure out. What's hard to figure is why anyone would "understand" a cunt like Na$ri.

The fans know the score, at least most of them do. It;s no coincidence that players like Henry, Pires, Cesc, Adams even Eduardo get applauded when they return. Equally it's no coincidence that cunts like Cashley and Na$ri get slaughtered. You can fool some of the people all of the time, but most get it.

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There is a comparison to be made. Both players left because this club has no sporting ambition. Henry gave his best years to us but he came when we were winning and and had quality players in the team. We were on the way up and not on the way down or stagnant as we are now. If Henry had just been starting his career now, I don't think he'd have stayed with us either. He left when all the pressure was on his shoulders and didn't want the burden. He went dragged out contract talks like Nasri did, but spoke more in the press about 'sporting ambition' kept quiet about wanting to leave, eventually signed a new contract with us but left on a cheap. Take away all the sentiment, how is that much different to Nasri's case? It looks worse in fact. I'm talking about the situation and not their characters because I don't know them personally. I'm not slinging mud at Henry either because I understand why he left and when I was younger, I was upset, but I'm older now and you can't take such decisions personally. It's like all logic goes out the window with this stuff and I knew you'd bite the bait and start nit picking at the circumstances. They under similar conditions and if RVP left at the end of the season it would be similar.

No point in slinging mud at the players that want to leave. It's childish. If the fans can see there is a problem with this club, the players aren't blind either. Why the heck should they stay on board and waste their years for foolishness? So we can balance the books? Forget that. As for players with character...you don't know these guys, what are talking about? It's time to get a grip and see some sense.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

There is a comparison to be made. Both players left because this club has no sporting ambition. Henry gave his best years to us but he came when we were winning and and had quality players in the team. We were on the way up and not on the way down or stagnant as we are now. If Henry had just been starting his career now, I don't think he'd have stayed with us either. He left when all the pressure was on his shoulders and didn't want the burden. He went dragged out contract talks like Nasri did, but spoke more in the press about 'sporting ambition' kept quiet about wanting to leave, eventually signed a new contract with us but left on a cheap. Take away all the sentiment, how is that much different to Nasri's case? It looks worse in fact. I'm talking about the situation and not their characters because I don't know them personally. I'm not slinging mud at Henry either because I understand why he left and when I was younger, I was upset, but I'm older now and you can't take such decisions personally. It's like all logic goes out the window with this stuff and I knew you'd bite the bait and start nit picking at the circumstances. They under similar conditions and if RVP left at the end of the season it would be similar.

No point in slinging mud at the players that want to leave. It's childish. If the fans can see there is a problem with this club, the players aren't blind either. Why the heck should they stay on board and waste their years for foolishness? So we can balance the books? Forget that. As for players with character...you don't know these guys, what are talking about? It's time to get a grip and see some sense.

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nasri left us when we needed him most, he ran from teh fight to sit on the bench and take millions into his pocket. the players we have now, they are leading from the front, they could have run too but no they didnt. they decided to stand up tall and rememberd what it means to wear the red and white. and where are we know? 1 point of fourth. they stood up and fought for this club because they want to match its ambition and they know to do that, they have to fight and fight they have done. im proud of them, proud to be a gooner and im proud that we have players who care. cunts like nasri can fuck off

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

nasri left us when we needed him most, he ran from teh fight to sit on the bench and take millions into his pocket. the players we have now, they are leading from the front, they could have run too but no they didnt. they decided to stand up tall and rememberd what it means to wear the red and white. and where are we know? 1 point of fourth. they stood up and fought for this club because they want to match its ambition and they know to do that, they have to fight and fight they have done. im proud of them, proud to be a gooner and im proud that we have players who care. cunts like nasri can fuck off

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Delusional.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Delusional.

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explain please

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

There is a comparison to be made. Both players left because this club has no sporting ambition. Henry gave his best years to us but he came when we were winning and and had quality players in the team. We were on the way up and not on the way down or stagnant as we are now. If Henry had just been starting his career now, I don't think he'd have stayed with us either. He left when all the pressure was on his shoulders and didn't want the burden. He went dragged out contract talks like Nasri did, but spoke more in the press about 'sporting ambition' kept quiet about wanting to leave, eventually signed a new contract with us but left on a cheap. Take away all the sentiment, how is that much different to Nasri's case? It looks worse in fact. I'm talking about the situation and not their characters because I don't know them personally. I'm not slinging mud at Henry either because I understand why he left and when I was younger, I was upset, but I'm older now and you can't take such decisions personally. It's like all logic goes out the window with this stuff and I knew you'd bite the bait and start nit picking at the circumstances. They under similar conditions and if RVP left at the end of the season it would be similar.

No point in slinging mud at the players that want to leave. It's childish. If the fans can see there is a problem with this club, the players aren't blind either. Why the heck should they stay on board and waste their years for foolishness? So we can balance the books? Forget that. As for players with character...you don't know these guys, what are talking about? It's time to get a grip and see some sense.

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You're right. Na$ri is a decent bloke. Not sure why I wasn't able to see that before. Henry is the cunt. Makes sense. I'm sure the highly ambitious Na$ri will be a huge hit at Utd.

But wait, he went to City. For football reasons, don't you know?

I have no problems with players who want to leave. I don't like it but if they want to go then they want to go. I have big problems with greedy cunts who slag the club that put cash in their pocket and give nothing back though. If you want to leave then fuck off. Who needs the crappy commentary and the transparent lies though?

But you're right and the crowd that applauds when Henry returns and calls Na$ri a cunt every time they set eyes on him are wrong.

What's going on here is that some want to slag the club themselves by using backdoor means like agreeing with cunts like $amir Na$ri. We all do what we want to do and I choose not to do that.