Wenger must go end of the season

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

The club is more than what goes on on the pitch. For sure, Wenger is responsible for that. But he's not responsible for the shit that goes on in the boardroom. We must allow (in fact I fucking insist) that the board has at least some say in the running of the club. Let's just assume, like any other board, they have total say. Kroenke the Clown has left this lot in charge, he's said he's happy to drift on without making changes. It's PHW and the gang in charge. These are the people who dictate how much we have to spend and when we have it. That doesn't mean Wenger isn't involved in how it is spent, he probably is - although I wonder what really went on with the 5 emergency signings in the summer when Wenger was out of the country. There's a massively unhealthy bias in favour of non-football related activities at the moment. Don't you get it? If the board are supporting Wenger in half a decade of folly then they are every bit as guilty as he is, if they have his hands tied they are still guilty of robbing the fans, if Wenger is controlling them (a ridiculous and utterly unrealistic scenario) then the board is guilty of being a bunch of pussies. Whatever is true, it doesn't matter who comes in a fucked up board like this stays on. Either they'll just control the new guy or end up grovelling at his feet again. They are fucking inept, sitting on their arses as the club goes down the plughole. We don't just need better tactics (Wenger's department) we need better players too and we need to be able to hang on to our existing players (the board's department). Leaders should take responsibility or else they shouldn't be leaders at all. If Wenger goes and the board stays then we have removed half the problem and there's no point trying to make out otherwise.

This has gone on for so long now we are absolutely fucked. It's a vicious downward spiral. Players tied into a lunatic wage structure where dross are earning big bucks based on time in, rather than performances returned, can't keep star players, can't attract them, quality always dropping as our rivals improve, rinse and repeat. The only thing that has been keeping us alive has been the Champions League, not just for the money but also the prestige that means we can at least get tier 2 players from time to time. When that goes we're in real trouble. This is what Wenger has been saying (couched in political speak) this week. You saw him today. Frazzled and fucked off. He fucked up but this isn't what he wants. No manager wants steady decline. It's fair enough to blame him for fuck-ups like today, but not the long term fuck up that we've been over the past half decade. There are others who need to share in that blame and it's about time we heard from them.

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I'd say thats the best post so far!
Been saying a similar thing for yonks, that Wenger is the one screwing things up on the pitch and that board are letting, plus the board are fucking things up off the pitch and that Wenger has neither the will nor balls to stand up for anything basically equates to 'a hand in hand' fuck up.

I have not gone down the road of calling for Wengers head but just because I dont lay all the blame on his doorstep doesnt mean I am pissed off by this guys antics. . . .however (and I am yet ro watch the whole game) after yestersday report of the game, I cannot cover the cracks that have begun to emerge with blind optimism. It seems that Wenger substituted the only player who was trying to take the game to the Mancs and that seems unforgivable, after you add it to a list of gaffs.

We will hear thee lines of protecting a prodigy but fuck that, and I am sure as fuck that Oxo didnt want to come off, he must have been buzzing, had helped bring us back into the gamw and wanted more of it. . .and who comes on, a guy who quite clearly knows/feels his time should be up at the club so feels no inclination to prove otherwise. . .who do we keep on, a guy is has little to offer in terms of footballing intelligence and if you continue to defend him Cripps at least say what for. . .at least when I stick up for Gervs its because the guy at least tries to get round his man and run with the ball, end product still has a lot to be desired.

By all accounts the sub was met with equal bemusement by our captain and our one last world class talent, side an inactive JW, this could play very heavily when it comes to contract time and no doubt the boatd will look to cash in. The risk of losing RvP because of AWs fuck ups leaves e with little choice but to agree that Wenger must go (there I said it) but I agree with NQ that our demise is down to a comedu of errors, a board that has no love for the club or game, which causes little to no investment in the playing staff, hence a sub standard squad, led by a buffon whose best years are sadly behind him.

The answer, who knows, get rid of Wenger yes, but bring in who. . .Jose, Pep? they are going to have similar problems, until the board realise they are running a sports team whose value is reflected by the success on the pitch and that there aint no draft system over here where the worst teams get a free pick of the cream of the crop then we are going to be banging our heads for a bit longer.
What a new manager will bring (hopefully) is the power to inspire, motivate and thats where we need to start.
Although I will never stoop to the level of hoping we lose, These kicks in the teeth may be what we need, we are by far the most pompous team in the league and to miss our on what we believe is our right may make some take a reality check. Btw I do think we can still get 4th.

Wenger you have made me cry tears of joy but now I cant help wishing that you would just do the right thing, sorry. . .
anyone reckon Bruce Rioch left a forwarding number, might be an idea to give him a bell?

Wenger has to go, but so does Kronke and most of the board.

Its time for Usmanov to step in, at least he wants to see the club be successful again.

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Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over

I'd say thats the best post so far!
Been saying a similar thing for yonks, that Wenger is the one screwing things up on the pitch and that board are letting, plus the board are fucking things up off the pitch and that Wenger has neither the will nor balls to stand up for anything basically equates to 'a hand in hand' fuck up.

I have not gone down the road of calling for Wengers head but just because I dont lay all the blame on his doorstep doesnt mean I am pissed off by this guys antics. . . .however (and I am yet ro watch the whole game) after yestersday report of the game, I cannot cover the cracks that have begun to emerge with blind optimism. It seems that Wenger substituted the only player who was trying to take the game to the Mancs and that seems unforgivable, after you add it to a list of gaffs.

We will hear thee lines of protecting a prodigy but fuck that, and I am sure as fuck that Oxo didnt want to come off, he must have been buzzing, had helped bring us back into the gamw and wanted more of it. . .and who comes on, a guy who quite clearly knows/feels his time should be up at the club so feels no inclination to prove otherwise. . .who do we keep on, a guy is has little to offer in terms of footballing intelligence and if you continue to defend him Cripps at least say what for. . .at least when I stick up for Gervs its because the guy at least tries to get round his man and run with the ball, end product still has a lot to be desired.

By all accounts the sub was met with equal bemusement by our captain and our one last world class talent, side an inactive JW, this could play very heavily when it comes to contract time and no doubt the boatd will look to cash in. The risk of losing RvP because of AWs fuck ups leaves e with little choice but to agree that Wenger must go (there I said it) but I agree with NQ that our demise is down to a comedu of errors, a board that has no love for the club or game, which causes little to no investment in the playing staff, hence a sub standard squad, led by a buffon whose best years are sadly behind him.

The answer, who knows, get rid of Wenger yes, but bring in who. . .Jose, Pep? they are going to have similar problems, until the board realise they are running a sports team whose value is reflected by the success on the pitch and that there aint no draft system over here where the worst teams get a free pick of the cream of the crop then we are going to be banging our heads for a bit longer.
What a new manager will bring (hopefully) is the power to inspire, motivate and thats where we need to start.
Although I will never stoop to the level of hoping we lose, These kicks in the teeth may be what we need, we are by far the most pompous team in the league and to miss our on what we believe is our right may make some take a reality check. Btw I do think we can still get 4th.

Wenger you have made me cry tears of joy but now I cant help wishing that you would just do the right thing, sorry. . .
anyone reckon Bruce Rioch left a forwarding number, might be an idea to give him a bell?

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i agree with your post but the bit in bold the most. Do we trust the board to bring in a better replacement for AW, if he was to go and not someome like Coyle who will be even worse.

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Originally Posted by Ach

I blame Wenger cos he makes the decisions about what goes on on the pitch.

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tbf with this sqaud any manager would have problems, it be a miracle to win the big things with them without investment.

I think he should go not because he is a bad manager, nor do i think he has changed since 2005. Wenger's management style has always been developmental identifying, integrating and retaining young technically skilled players, playing one philosophy over a period and developing a great team. This has 3 parts to it
a. Getting in or developing young players
b. retaining top players so that the best years are given to the club
c. buying a few top players/experienced if and when available for a good deal

Whats changed now is 'a' and 'c' are more expensive owing to competition from other clubs. b is not happening at all a long list of players who could not be retained starting with Edu. I think with progressively he has become more disillusioned and the loss of Cesc and Nasri were the coffin in the nail. I don't think most players who were bought in the summer were his first choices either, don't think we can afford to get his first choices. If he has to he needs to let go a dead weight (we seem to be accumulating them a a fair clip), and the board still wants to continue to create budget organically (either via sales of existing players or via budget allocated which is not very high owing to our commercial revenues and non-football revenue progressively reducing etc). Neither are they willing to revise the pay structure which means that as players mature and start looking at higher salaries they leave.

Is the board at fault? May be in lacking imagination and being old fashioned and boring. Also think a lot of events which were unplanned like the rise of Chelsea and Man city(getting worse with PSG, Malaga etc). I think it s a clash of two ideologies rather thanot f any specific party being responsible and is crying out for a CEO like Dein who was great at consensus building for a long time( but then he got frustrated himself and walked out). I think Ivan is doing a fair job but came in a bit late to salvage the situation.

It is in the best interest of the club to have a manager and board who work with each other and few seasons ago we did see the benefit of it. Don't think that is happening now, cant blame either, and we don't have someone who can be the go between (which could have been the best option). That being the case, its best to get a manager who sticks with the board, though that could be a huge challenge.

Well. The current board are close to being pulled out of the equation, as they were locked into it for 12 months until Stan and his band of Americans arrive properly.

I suspect, some of the current decisions at board level are as a consequence of all of that, and the succession that will follow.

This also has a massive impact on the pitch, because if the owner is saying keep it patched up until we get there, perhaps we're stuck.

As far as the manager goes, he made another stupid error of judgement, and in backing the board and what ever agreement is currently in place, he removes himself further and further from the fans.

It's not so much the football that irks me. Yes, I'd love the club to be succeeding at the very top of the game, but it's not the be all and end all.

What pisses me off, is the shit we're fed week in week out. The bullshit, the soundbites, the spin and the arrogance. The twittering of players, the money-go-round, the lack of loyalty and the laziness.

Arsene is still a very good manager. One who has been more loyal to our club than any other (yes I know he get's paid well for it), and I'm very sad that this great club seems to be imploding around him. Fair do's for being the one who will take all the stick on behalf of the club (yes he get's paid hansomly for it).

But he really doesn't help himself sometimes.

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Originally Posted by LDG

Well. The current board are close to being pulled out of the equation, as they were locked into it for 12 months until Stan and his band of Americans arrive properly.

I suspect, some of the current decisions at board level are as a consequence of all of that, and the succession that will follow.

This also has a massive impact on the pitch, because if the owner is saying keep it patched up until we get there, perhaps we're stuck.

As far as the manager goes, he made another stupid error of judgement, and in backing the board and what ever agreement is currently in place, he removes himself further and further from the fans.

It's not so much the football that irks me. Yes, I'd love the club to be succeeding at the very top of the game, but it's not the be all and end all.

What pisses me off, is the shit we're fed week in week out. The bullshit, the soundbites, the spin and the arrogance. The twittering of players, the money-go-round, the lack of loyalty and the laziness.

Arsene is still a very good manager. One who has been more loyal to our club than any other (yes I know he get's paid well for it), and I'm very sad that this great club seems to be imploding around him. Fair do's for being the one who will take all the stick on behalf of the club (yes he get's paid hansomly for it).

But he really doesn't help himself sometimes.

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Did not consider that sounds a very valid point.
The fan reactions including ours are a result of frustration that built over a period of time. Don't think fans would have reacted in the same fashion if things were going well. To blame everything on Wenger is unfair. In the end the whole stadium project might turn out to be successfull at the expense of one of the best managers, who was central to the project itself.

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Originally Posted by Boss

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Originally Posted by LDG

Well. The current board are close to being pulled out of the equation, as they were locked into it for 12 months until Stan and his band of Americans arrive properly.

I suspect, some of the current decisions at board level are as a consequence of all of that, and the succession that will follow.

This also has a massive impact on the pitch, because if the owner is saying keep it patched up until we get there, perhaps we're stuck.

As far as the manager goes, he made another stupid error of judgement, and in backing the board and what ever agreement is currently in place, he removes himself further and further from the fans.

It's not so much the football that irks me. Yes, I'd love the club to be succeeding at the very top of the game, but it's not the be all and end all.

What pisses me off, is the shit we're fed week in week out. The bullshit, the soundbites, the spin and the arrogance. The twittering of players, the money-go-round, the lack of loyalty and the laziness.

Arsene is still a very good manager. One who has been more loyal to our club than any other (yes I know he get's paid well for it), and I'm very sad that this great club seems to be imploding around him. Fair do's for being the one who will take all the stick on behalf of the club (yes he get's paid hansomly for it).

But he really doesn't help himself sometimes.

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Ahh yes the spin, that is something that can eat away at fans because we have had to suffer a lot of that too!

As we most things going wrong at the moment, I dont solely blame Wenger for that either because for every yarn he spins us he has probably had load shoved down his throat too. . .the wbole vicious cycle seems such a shame and such a fucking waste!