Should Wenger go?

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Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie

I have no problem in disrespecting the man, for me he has been complacently riding his achievements to stem the outrage of our descent into mediocrity. He has no more respect for the fans than that fat fuck Hill Wood does, look how he responded two weeks ago when he heard that there would be a fan protest just dismissed it like we were a bunch of malcontents and didn't try to take any responsibility for the fact that we were feeling aggrieved.

Also what have we achieved barring over-reaching by reaching a european cup final and going through a season unbeaten, I know it's hard for fans to believe but we won league titles before Wenger came to the club and even with his successes comes a plethora of missed oportunity. 03/04 was an open goal for us in the champions league...we had gone to stamford bridge in the quarters and ground out a decent result to stand us in good stead but we bottle it at highbury....anyone who says that the team we had couldn't have got past monaco or Mourinho's Porto doesn't know what they are talking about.

We have won three titles, by my calculations that's three less than we should have.......1998/1999 everyone will remember as United's treble year but not if we hadn't bottled it against Leeds.

2002/2003 - five points clear in february, united win by five points in May say no more

2007/2008 - five points clear in february.....i'm sure you get the picture

Not to forget the 2000 uefa cup where we outplay galatasray and lose on penalties

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The lack of bottle we have now was evident in previous Wenger teams. Its just come more to the fore now

The thing I am most surprised about is that Wenger hasn’t walked. I think the majority have wanted a change of management for some time. And it surprises me that he has stayed after being ridiculed by some sections of fans and (probably) let down by his players. Which means he thinks he can turn it around. His job description might say to deliver 4^th place and a trophy would be ‘nice’ but not essential. I don’t think that is something Arsene is happy with.

Arsene is one of us. We joke about Wenger WUMing and being happy to pick up his £6m a year, but I genuinely think he is very unhappy with his job right now. He desperately wants the club to succeed - I don’t think that can be questioned. I also don’t think it can be questioned that he is doing a bad job - regardless of whether you believe he is unwilling to spend money or whether the board are not making much available. How such an intelligent guy can be so deluded of the ability in his squad (as well as - possibly - his own managerial abilities) is what is surprising.

He has a sense of perspective about everything else, it seems. Ask him about the Eurozone crisis and he’d probably give you an accurate summary. Ask him about the history of Petra and he’ll drop some knowledge. Ask him about the weaknesses of the current Arsenal team and he’ll give you some bullshit using his favourite phrases, topped off with a colourful analogy about something that isn’t remotely relevant.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

Can you elaborate on that please just want to know your reasoning behind it.

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Because. :good:

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Originally Posted by Syn

The thing I am most surprised about is that Wenger hasn’t walked. I think the majority have wanted a change of management for some time. And it surprises me that he has stayed after being ridiculed by some sections of fans and (probably) let down by his players. Which means he thinks he can turn it around. His job description might say to deliver 4^th place and a trophy would be ‘nice’ but not essential. I don’t think that is something Arsene is happy with.

Arsene is one of us. We joke about Wenger WUMing and being happy to pick up his £6m a year, but I genuinely think he is very unhappy with his job right now. He desperately wants the club to succeed - I don’t think that can be questioned. I also don’t think it can be questioned that he is doing a bad job - regardless of whether you believe he is unwilling to spend money or whether the board are not making much available. How such an intelligent guy can be so deluded of the ability in his squad (as well as - possibly - his own managerial abilities) is what is surprising.

He has a sense of perspective about everything else, it seems. Ask him about the Eurozone crisis and he’d probably give you an accurate summary. Ask him about the history of Petra and he’ll drop some knowledge. Ask him about the weaknesses of the current Arsenal team and he’ll give you some bullshit using his favourite phrases, topped off with a colourful analogy about something that isn’t remotely relevant.

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Good points.

I dont think he would ever walk while the season is in motion. At the end he might but not now.

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Originally Posted by Fats

Im not being pedantic. Just genuinely interested. I respect his view whether it agree's with anyones or not.

This would be a very boring forum without debate and reasoning.

I know why I would like AW to move on and am more than willing to put forward those reasons. I would like to hear, at this point in time, why someone else still has faith in him.

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fair play

I keep telling y'all the French job will be available after the Euro's

Thing is done anyone NOT expect us to lose to Sunderland and then to Spurs and the scouse? We see it year after year, a heavy defeat in the UCL followed by FA cup exit and losses in the league.

We are glassjawed and its not going to change without a change in leader.

Yes I would like him to leave/step down/resign call it what you like.

Time for a change, has been for a couple of seasons now IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Syn

The thing I am most surprised about is that Wenger hasn’t walked. I think the majority have wanted a change of management for some time. And it surprises me that he has stayed after being ridiculed by some sections of fans and (probably) let down by his players. Which means he thinks he can turn it around. His job description might say to deliver 4^th place and a trophy would be ‘nice’ but not essential. I don’t think that is something Arsene is happy with.

Arsene is one of us. We joke about Wenger WUMing and being happy to pick up his £6m a year, but I genuinely think he is very unhappy with his job right now. He desperately wants the club to succeed - I don’t think that can be questioned. I also don’t think it can be questioned that he is doing a bad job - regardless of whether you believe he is unwilling to spend money or whether the board are not making much available. How such an intelligent guy can be so deluded of the ability in his squad (as well as - possibly - his own managerial abilities) is what is surprising.

He has a sense of perspective about everything else, it seems. Ask him about the Eurozone crisis and he’d probably give you an accurate summary. Ask him about the history of Petra and he’ll drop some knowledge. Ask him about the weaknesses of the current Arsenal team and he’ll give you some bullshit using his favourite phrases, topped off with a colourful analogy about something that isn’t remotely relevant.

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He hasn't walked away because he probably feels that he carries the blame. He's suffering cause right now he looks like a man that is deep in the shit and had one too many rolls of the dice. He's not going to stop and soon or later the 'house' will have to tell him that he's had enough. He's looking like that desperate gambler everyone takes pity on.

For the type of character Wenger is, if he truly felt like he was getting shafted by the Board, he wouldn't shut up about and wouldn't have stayed here so long. Never. He'd have cracked by now and let venom rip. We've seen how he can explode if he feels like he's just been shafted.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

He hasn't walked away because he probably feels that he carries the blame. He's suffering cause right now he looks like a man that is deep in the shit and had one too many rolls of the dice. He's not going to stop and soon or later the 'house' will have to tell him that he's had enough. He's looking like that desperate gambler everyone takes pity on.

For the type of character Wenger is, if he truly felt like he was getting shafted by the Board, he wouldn't shut up about and wouldn't have stayed here so long. Never. He'd have cracked by now and let venom rip. We've seen how he can explode if he feels like he's just been shafted.

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yeah he would gets paid 6 mill a year so would deffo cover for the board even if he felt shafted.