USAMNOV'S MONEY

Before we think we need an injection of cash, it'd be nice to know whether we're actually making the most of the cash we have. We've been left in the dark and I don't think anyone - apart from Wenger and the board - knows exactly what's going on.

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Originally Posted by GB.

The part in bold - I agree with entirely. Despite the presence of the oligarchs, this Club could have - in fact should have had two nailed on title wins if it had invested it's resources that it generated through the fans on the playing side. That this did not happen is pretty damning on the Board and on Wenger.

To win those titles, we did not need Usmanov's money - and I don't believe we ever will need his money. What we need is an owner and a Board who are willing to maximise use of the resources the Club generates without a need for financial doping.

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Agree with all your post but the bit in Bold mostly, we should not get somone on Board because we feel he will give us loads of cash to Spend and over spend on players.

Lets get someone in who we feel will give us the best chance to rival City and Utd and Chavs.

But i do think Oldman Hillwood needs to take a hike and not be on this seat till the day he dies.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

it's sad that people just accept it.

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how do they do that

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Kroenke is majority shareholder with 62%, if he was going to invest he would have by now, the guy isn't interested he's a business man interested in making money from his investment without pumping money in.

Usmanov isn't going to invest when he has no say over anything, why would he, it would be foolish to.

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Agree with this. The last bunch of shareholders did spectacularly well (at the fans' and the club's expense). They are hateful vermin. But they didn't manage to squeeze every last penny out. There's still a lot of profit to be made from this club, especially with the restructuring of sponsorship deals. Stan should be able to clear a hefty profit within the next few years and then I guess he'll sell to the Russian. Whether Usmanov decides to invest at that point or whether he thinks there's room for a third scalping who can say? But he won't be putting his money in just to see Kroenke extract it on the other end. If we finish 3rd this year it will be great but also awful as it vindicates the business plan of these rat bastards. The best we can hope for short term is they all go on a corporate jolly and the plane crashes.

Should take us over fully

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Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn

Agree with this. The last bunch of shareholders did spectacularly well (at the fans' and the club's expense). They are hateful vermin. But they didn't manage to squeeze every last penny out. There's still a lot of profit to be made from this club, especially with the restructuring of sponsorship deals. Stan should be able to clear a hefty profit within the next few years and then I guess he'll sell to the Russian. Whether Usmanov decides to invest at that point or whether he thinks there's room for a third scalping who can say? But he won't be putting his money in just to see Kroenke extract it on the other end. If we finish 3rd this year it will be great but also awful as it vindicates the business plan of these rat bastards. The best we can hope for short term is they all go on a corporate jolly and the plane crashes.

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How can Kroenke withdraw money from the club other than through share dividends? And if he's taking profits through share dividends then surely the Usmanov gets exactly the same cut but in proportion to his shareholding? Moreover, the argument cuts both ways - why would silent stan want to invest heavily into the club when 38% of the profits go to some fat russian? Perhaps the impasse with the shareholding is the root of the limited/non-existent level of external investment into the team?

I would also argue that before we throw external funds at our squad issues we should cut the dross and re-invest organic profits wisely. If we still can't compete, which I doubt, then we should be looking for external investment.

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Originally Posted by Jam Persie

How can Kroenke withdraw money from the club other than through share dividends? And if he's taking profits through share dividends then surely the Usmanov gets exactly the same cut but in proportion to his shareholding? Moreover, the argument cuts both ways - why would silent stan want to invest heavily into the club when 38% of the profits go to some fat russian? Perhaps the impasse with the shareholding is the root of the limited/non-existent level of external investment into the team?

I would also argue that before we throw external funds at our squad issues we should cut the dross and re-invest organic profits wisely. If we still can't compete, which I doubt, then we should be looking for external investment.

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He can just do it the way the last lot did it, by inflating the share price. Usmanov has already shown a willingness to pay over the odds.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Get rid of PHW and co and bring him in, we might have some money to spend on some decent players at long last then. The current bunch are dinosaurs without a clue on how to run a successful club on the pitch, all they care about is money.

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I'd rather these people who apparently have no clue how to run a successful club on the pitch continue to do it their way than Man City's way, for example. It seems you'd prefer that throwing money around approach, but to my mind that is equally clueless and far more reckless.

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Originally Posted by Syn

Before we think we need an injection of cash, it'd be nice to know whether we're actually making the most of the cash we have. We've been left in the dark and I don't think anyone - apart from Wenger and the board - knows exactly what's going on.

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Agree with this point. The wage structure needs sorting out. It's a huge drain.

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Originally Posted by cricketsi

I'd rather these people who apparently have no clue how to run a successful club on the pitch continue to do it their way than Man City's way, for example. It seems you'd prefer that throwing money around approach, but to my mind that is equally clueless and far more reckless.

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You'd rather be run by a bunch of people who couldn't give a sh*t about anything but money and laugh off the fans concerns whilst not hesitating to blame fans at the 1st opportunity?

These were PHW's comments when Dein bought shares in Arsenal in the 80's:

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At the time of Dein's purchase of the shares in Arsenal back in 1983, Peter Hill Wood Arsenal's Chairman described Dein as "crazy" to invest his money in the club stating that "to all intents and purposes it's dead money".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dein

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Calling investment into AFC as dead money, nice guy indeed.