Wenger's legacy - has it held us back

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Totally agree, his 1st team was based on Graham's defence, Parlour's work rate and Bergkamp's brilliance, Wenger found some top players to bring in but he needed those other players, we've seen the state of the defence when there's noone to organise it.

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get the fk out of here "parlours work rate". parlour was nothing in that side compared to the vieira-petit axis.

youre probably the same type of person who thinks jenkinson is a passable player.

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Originally Posted by Grebbo

Wenger has lower quality players than he used to have when we were good.

It's as simple as that.

He isn't any less of a manager now then he was in 1998.

The team HE created has been gutted. Cesc, RVP, Nasri etc all sold year after year. NO manager in the world could cope with that year after year and would have fucked off as soon as we didn't pay Ashley Cole what we promised him. Wenger is a great man and manager. The players are not so great. He's not a miracle worker.

He should have walked years ago and I'm sure he wishes that he did.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

get the fk out of here "parlours work rate". parlour was nothing in that side compared to the vieira-petit axis.

youre probably the same type of person who thinks jenkinson is a passable player.

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I think what Zimm means is that you needed Players like Parlour, who worked hard. May not have been as good as the rest but did a job when needed and yo could count on him nonstop.

We don't have players like that, it seems when the likes of Santi and co don't put effort in no one else seems too. The players need motivational players like Parlour etc.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

get the fk out of here "parlours work rate". parlour was nothing in that side compared to the vieira-petit axis.

youre probably the same type of person who thinks jenkinson is a passable player.

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Petit and Veira can't be overlooked. They were a menace and protected our back four well and if you got through them you still had the four horsemen of apoolypse to deal with. Those were the days. But I doubt those guys would have worked their socks off if guys like Parlour weren't around. They wouldn't have been the players and if things were different and they had walked into this sort of mess we are now seeing, they'd have been shit players.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

get the fk out of here "parlours work rate". parlour was nothing in that side compared to the vieira-petit axis.

youre probably the same type of person who thinks jenkinson is a passable player.

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Parlour was no Petit or Vieira but his workrate was important none the less, he was part of the machine....not the same amount of talent as the other guys but despite that he more than made up for it by busting a gut every time he played.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Petit and Veira can't be overlooked. They were a menace and protected our back four well and if you got through them you still had the four horsemen of apoolypse to deal with. Those were the days. But I doubt those guys would have worked their socks off if guys like Parlour weren't around. They wouldn't have been the players and if things were different and they had walked into this sort of mess we are now seeing, they'd have been shit players.

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is this the same parlour who ridiculed glenn hoddles back room staff (that faith healer)?

oh hes a local lad so he must be good/a role model

no, he had a good season that year but he was totally replaceable. vieira and petit would have been just fine without him.

go back to buying quality rather than giroud, gervinho, chamakh, podolski and nobody would be worrying about passion.

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Parlour was no Petit or Vieira but his workrate was important none the less, he was part of the machine....not the same amount of talent as the other guys but despite that he more than made up for it by busting a gut every time he played.

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he was park of the machine, correct. nothing was "based" on ray facking parlour.

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Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner

I think what Zimm means is that you needed Players like Parlour, who worked hard. May not have been as good as the rest but did a job when needed and yo could count on him nonstop.

We don't have players like that, it seems when the likes of Santi and co don't put effort in no one else seems too. The players need motivational players like Parlour etc.

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the days when workers could have made the difference are gone. that was the fabregas, rvp, nasri and an in form arshavin era were we had the quality but all bar RVP were lazy for me.

now we simply dont have the quality. workers wont save our forward line, which imo is worse man for man than swanseas. pablo hernandez and michu would walk into this side and id take dyer over oxlade and gervinho.

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Originally Posted by BOBN

is this the same parlour who ridiculed glenn hoddles back room staff (that faith healer)

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Quite right too!

Fuckin mumbo jumbo.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Only just watching MOTD.

Bar RVP and Rooney, that Man Utd team is bloody average. But they're still able to push for the title.

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because they are one of two 'better' average teams in an average league.