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Well of course he's not being sacked, that doesn't mean the fans have to sit back and lump it just for that reason. Nor does it mean we have to wait 9 months to pass judgement, especially after that opener. We're been 'sensible' waiting for something to change and we're being just as 'sensible' now, sparing ourselves the stress of having our time wasted again.
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Originally Posted by fakeyank
My position is certainly not "well, at least we're better than Spurs". Of course we're better than Spurs, so we should be. But challenging the three sides who have more resources than us is difficult no matter who the manager is in an era where money and success are so correlated. That said, our financial position has changed since the new deals have been in place, that has resulted in a new level of signings and it has yielded immediate results in terms of trophies. Yes yes, the FA Cup has been devalued with the rise and rise of the CL, but it's still a pretty prestigious trophy - if you're a club of Arsenal's stature you wouldn't get a massive crowd turning out for a trophy parade for the league cup.
We need to challenge for the bigger prizes now, we should have challenged for the title last year but after the awful start we had no chance before we got going. We cannot do that again this year, last Sunday was a rather worrying start but it's way too early to be pushing the panic button just yet. This game has become a must win now.
What's the alternative?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Well, obviously people's feelings will change as the season progresses - go on a run which sees us on touch, or even top, by Christmas, then people will be feeling less bleak. Ultimately though you can only really judge a season at the end.Quote:
Nor does it mean we have to wait 9 months to pass judgement, especially after that opener.
The alternative? Give up on the manager but still follow the team as best as we can. That's what we're here for. That doesn't mean rooting for him to do badly either. People won't be swept up by going near to the top because they will believe it won't last, that we're only ever a game or two away from blowing it. Fans aren't deluded by temporary positions at the top of the league. We know the best we can achieve is 3rd because that is all we have seen and that is exactly what this comical start has brought right back to us, evaporating all that optimism and patience to wait for a season end assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
Killing momentum. He's brilliant at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
Brilliant match thread, this.
Well let's hope for a win so it doesn't get even better.
Well, it's all we've seen for the last 10 years, but before that we were champions 3 times under Wenger and pretty much always in the top 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kano
It's harder these days because of the two billionaire-fueled teams but now we've got the money we've bought players like Sanchez and Ozil. IMO we've got a better squad now than we've had for a while and we showed last year we can win games like City away in the league and Utd away in the Cup, games we'd definitely have lost a few years back. If we get off to a start like we did last year then yes, 3rd is probably the best we can hope for. If we can stay in the mix then we've got a chance. You cannot draw any sensible conclusions from one game.
Even one where there is a mountain of data with minimal shift in any trend regardless of the extent of resources at his disposal to enable us to accurately predict the outcome season after season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Letters
I'll always ALWAYS be greatful for what that man has done for this Club and will passionately debate with anyone who thinks otherwise. For years, while people criticised him, he was the right man, perhaps the only man to bring this Club through an unprecedented transition period that did include the briefest of property crashes at the exact wrong time for the Club.
He has in many ways sacrificed what would and should have been the best years of his managerial career. However, while he was the right man for us when he arrived at this Club, and the right man to equip us to kick on to the next level in order to remain competitive, I honestly do not believe he is the man to actually deliver that competitiveness and there is more than ample data to demonstrate that before waiting until the end of yet another season to assess it.
There's very little data. Since we've had the new financial deals (which is the only data that is relevant, otherwise you're not comparing like for like) we've signed Ozil and Sanchez and won a trophy in each season. And last season we won a couple of those 'big games' which we 'always lose'.
We need to push on and challenge for the biggest prizes now and it is debatable whether Wenger is the right man to do that. I saw a few signs for hope last year but some of the same frustrations too. Last Sunday was obviously frustrating but it's only one game, Chelsea only drew and could have lost. It's too early to push the panic button just yet although we just have to beat Palace and get going more quickly this year.
For better or worse he is our manager this season. After 2 FA Cups in 2 years I reckon he's earned that. If he doesn't push us on this year with this squad then yeah, #WengerOut.