Non 'top 4' PL players who would improve us

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Originally Posted by LDG

Problem with us isn't really the players (not wanting to dampen enthusiasm for the thread).

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This.

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Originally Posted by Letters

I'm not suggesting he's suddenly a bad manager btw, if he does go to Liverpool it'll be interesting to see how he does. But I do find it interesting how lowly some on here rate Wenger and how highly by contrast they still rate Klopp despite last season's car crash. Again, I can't even begin to imagine the reactions on here if we ever had a season anywhere near as bad as Dortmund did last year.

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I agree that it will be extremely interesting if Klopp goes to Liverpool. I know nothing about German football, but I doubt its as perverse as our league in terms of results against so-called small teams - and it will be interesting to see how he copes with the obsessive spotlight and pressure. An exciting appointment (assuming it happens) but a punt nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory

Again, if you recall correctly, it's taken a very long time for people to criticise Wenger and want him out. How long did we go without a major trophy? We lost 3 finals in the process and had seasons where we came close to finishing outside the top 4. It's not the same by a long distance. Dortmund's players were poached by Bayern and there hasn't been time for Klopp to rebuild..

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I agree with you, Mate. Wenger went an unprecedentedly long time (for a big club and in this day and age) without being pilloried. Most Gooners bought the settling into the new stadium and not having funds to spend and very few were calling for his head because of that until maybe 4 years ago - I think the CC debacle was a turning point for most, and if so that was 7 years without a trophy. Genuinely, it is impossible to think of another manager at a big European club being given anything like that time. Also, Wenger too lost key players, but the general feeling with him, unlike Klopp, was that this was partly because he didn't fight hard enough to keep them, or that the players were disenchanted by his serial failure to win trophies. Not the same for Klopp at all!

Even now - Wenger is given a much easier ride than his peers in the press - partly because he has accustomed all observers to our top 4 rather than champions status, and partly because he is under no pressure whatsoever from an owner who sees our club merely as a cash cow against which to leverage loans for his US enterprises.

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Originally Posted by IBK

I agree that it will be extremely interesting if Klopp goes to Liverpool. I know nothing about German football, but I doubt its as perverse as our league in terms of results against so-called small teams - and it will be interesting to see how he copes with the obsessive spotlight and pressure. An exciting appointment (assuming it happens) but a punt nonetheless.

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This is worth a read

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...uck-on-shuffle

Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
I agree that it will be extremely interesting if Klopp goes to Liverpool. I know nothing about German football, but I doubt its as perverse as our league in terms of results against so-called small teams - and it will be interesting to see how he copes with the obsessive spotlight and pressure. An exciting appointment (assuming it happens) but a punt nonetheless.


This is worth a read

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...uck-on-shuffle

Interesting article but a bit perverse in that it starts off by saying that (contrary to my avowed lack of knowledge), the Bundesliga is an incredibly volatile league, but finished with emphasising Bayern's unparalleled dominance - which is something the EPL does not have. One wonders what the point of the unpredictability below first spot is if there is only likely ever to be one winner?

As for Klopp - well he did challenge Bayern's dominance - but whether his knowledge/methods translate to the EPL we will wait and see. I suppose Guardiola's did from Barca to Germany...

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Originally Posted by IBK

Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
I agree that it will be extremely interesting if Klopp goes to Liverpool. I know nothing about German football, but I doubt its as perverse as our league in terms of results against so-called small teams - and it will be interesting to see how he copes with the obsessive spotlight and pressure. An exciting appointment (assuming it happens) but a punt nonetheless.


This is worth a read

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...uck-on-shuffle

Interesting article but a bit perverse in that it starts off by saying that (contrary to my avowed lack of knowledge), the Bundesliga is an incredibly volatile league, but finished with emphasising Bayern's unparalleled dominance - which is something the EPL does not have. One wonders what the point of the unpredictability below first spot is if there is only likely ever to be one winner?

As for Klopp - well he did challenge Bayern's dominance - but whether his knowledge/methods translate to the EPL we will wait and see. I suppose Guardiola's did from Barca to Germany...

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It has become that in the past few years - even when Dortmund were challenging, Bayern would still regularly smash teams by 4/5/6 goals and end up winning the title by 20 points or so. Bayern are just an absolute machine. They'd do exactly the same here too. Dortmund were a genuine threat to Bayern when they took two back-to-back titles and got to the CL final but taking Lewandowski and Gotze in particular really hurt them. God knows how they've kept hold of Reus and Hummels. When Klopp took over Dortmund, they had fallen from winning the CL and a few league titles, into being a mid-table team. The odd thing with last years league under performance was that they topped our Champions League group. They still qualified for Europe and got to their domestic cup final. Also look at Juventus this year. Won four Serie A titles in row, get to the CL final, lose Tevez and Vidal, start terribly in the league this year and flying in the CL.

I think the game in Germany is probably the closest to the PL you are going to get. Klopp's game is all about high intensity but I think the biggest problem he'll face is internal politics at Liverpool and getting something out of their current, duff squad. They certainly aren't the type of players he likes to work with.

Liverpool will get the bump that every new manager brings. The media will go wild. Then it will all settle back. Klopp will need a couple of years to clear out everyone and build a team. Unless he's some sort of miracle worker he won't be doing anything with the squad he has. Woy and Brenda wrecked the place and spent a fortune doing it. That will take a priod of recovery to fix no matter who is in charge. Personally I think they would have been better off with Ancelotti. More chance of a methodical approach with less highs and lows. But Klopp will be a lot more fun of course.

Also, there have been six winners of the Bundesliga compared to five here since the PL started, so the competition is/was similar. Bayern are traditionally the main powerhouse of German football and have had massive periods of dominance before but they have also fallen off of that too.

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Originally Posted by Kano

It has become that in the past few years - even when Dortmund were challenging, Bayern would still regularly smash teams by 4/5/6 goals and end up winning the title by 20 points or so. Bayern are just an absolute machine. They'd do exactly the same here too. Dortmund were a genuine threat to Bayern when they took two back-to-back titles and got to the CL final but taking Lewandowski and Gotze in particular really hurt them. God knows how they've kept hold of Reus and Hummels. When Klopp took over Dortmund, they had fallen from winning the CL and a few league titles, into being a mid-table team. The odd thing with last years league under performance was that they topped our Champions League group. They still qualified for Europe and got to their domestic cup final. Also look at Juventus this year. Won four Serie A titles in row, get to the CL final, lose Tevez and Vidal, start terribly in the league this year and flying in the CL.

I think the game in Germany is probably the closest to the PL you are going to get. Klopp's game is all about high intensity but I think the biggest problem he'll face is internal politics at Liverpool and getting something out of their current, duff squad. They certainly aren't the type of players he likes to work with.

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Nice to be informed :good: I'll now show off to my mates claiming your knowledge as my own, of course!

Now you just have to trust that I am a reliable source...