At least we can all be united in defeat with this one :good:
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At least we can all be united in defeat with this one :good:
I disagree, the manner of a defeat is important which is why, whether it was 'only' Bournemouth and Saints or not, the comebacks in those games were important for team spirit and frankly good to watch for those of us who go to the gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
btw when i talked about a 'good result' I was talking realistically - obvs I could have said it would be a fantastic result if we win 10-0 but not very realistic...
Don’t think it makes a sod of difference. If it did you wouldn’t get Bournemouth losing 9-0 at Anfield and then beating Liverpool 1-0 at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Using that argument you could say losing only 1-0 to City when they did the double over us in 2020/2021 would have shown we are capable of getting something but we lose 5-0 at city and 2-1 at the Emirates. And that contentious fixture maybe should have given us confidence that we could beat City except despite being a lot better than them we’ve lost both fixtures we’ve played against them this year.
If we get a draw that, that might suggest even if we are not to win the title that we can go toe to toe with them. But a turd is a turd no matter what polish is sprayed on it
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by IBK
Again my opinion is that this Horse dungQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
The only way for me in which a defeat is a good result is one in which you are holding onto a lead in a two legged cup tie. So losing 1-0 away after winning 2-0 at home (and even then I’d be bitterly disappointed at losing the game but I’d accept that going through would be enough to make it a good result)
As I’ve said we’ve lost heavily to Man City (5-0 last season) and we’ve had narrow defeats (2-1 and 1-0) and neither have had the slightest impact on the games the next season, the only common denominator is that it registers as a defeat.
thanks, horse dung is actually quite a valuable commodity for farmers, allotment holders etc so I take it you agree :good:Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
It really doesn’t matter because nothing we say here will determine what will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
The likelihood is that we will lose, and I will be equally disappointed regardless of whether it’s a plucky 2-1 defeat or a capitulation
And I can say that with experience because we’ve lost to these fuckers 11 times in a row, and I felt no more happier with the narrow 2-1 defeat at the Emirates than the 5-0 four/five months earlier.
I don’t think it will make a bit of difference as to what happens against Chelsea, we will either win that game or we won’t. Although arguably you could say that a heavy defeat could be even more positive because it might lead things albeit too late to be properly changed around.
But again no defeat is a good result. So it’s just easier to state that it’s unlikely we can get a good result
no, because as i state above, in the context of the likelihood of our winning, a good result is actually to lose narrowly - it doesn't mean i will be happy with a loss but frankly compared to what could happen I'd take a fiercely-contested 2-1 defeat right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
again as i said above, to win heavily would be a fantastic result, but it's very unlikely
you clearly don't understand the concept of pride in one's football club or what a heavy defeat says about its prospects, that's where the size of the defeat comes in - ask those Spuds and Man U fans we've all enjoyed laughing at whether they're not bothered about the size of those respective 6-1 and 7-0 defeats they've had recently, I think even you would know what they would say...
They'll be queueing up to laugh at us tonight and i for one don't want that to happen - sure they can laugh at a tight defeat but it won't be the same as if we're trashed
context is everything
Ultimately this is the only reason you can give me as to why it mattersQuote:
Originally Posted by Mac76
There’s very little evidence to suggest the size of the defeat will have any impact either on the rest of the season or going forward.
What you care about is not having the other fans piling on, like some of us did against Spurs on Sunday. And I honestly can say who gives a shit……i can’t even begrudge them their Schadenfreude, because I enjoyed it when Liverpool beat United 7-0 or Newcastle beat Spurs 6-1. And I’ll enjoy it again if as I suspect will happen, City bottle the champions league again.
After losing to City 11 times in a row, after dropping six points in the last three games. What possible pride can you take from you take from losing to this team? Because they didn’t wipe the floor with us?.
We’ve already thrown in the towel on the title, I can’t see what harm shitting the bed again is going to do that hasn’t been done already.
I understand about context, but for me I’ve explained the only context in which losing is a good result. This doesn’t mean that criteria.
Ask me whether I’d rather lose 6-1 or 1-0? For me they are just as bad in a league game.
Arsenal: Ramsdale; White, Holding, Gabriel, Zinchenko; Partey, Xhaka, Odegaard; Saka, Jesus, Martinelli.
Subs: Turner, Tierney, Smith Rowe, Nketiah, Kiwior, Trossard, Jorginho, Vieira, Nelson.
As expected.
COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!!