Chelsea v Arsenal. 21st Oct. 17:30

Coming from behind to get a result in a tough away game is definitely worthy of credit, we never would have got this result in previous seasons.

However again the performance leaves a lot to be desired, I’m not sure how much longer we can keep eeking out these results without playing particularly well.

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Any potential opponent that watched that game would be licking their lips at the thought of playing us now.

I hope what we saw today was a one off, but I doubt it since our manager struggles at rotating his squad properly and trusting people outside the circle of his "chosen."

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If Partey had been picked instead of Jorginho I’d have considered myself satisfied with the line up (albeit JFC Jesus is not). But even reliable players like Gabriel and Saliba were not on their game today. Saka? Problem is we don’t really have anyone who can play there.

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Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn

If Partey had been picked instead of Jorginho I’d have considered myself satisfied with the line up (albeit JFC Jesus is not). But even reliable players like Gabriel and Saliba were not on their game today. Saka? Problem is we don’t really have anyone who can play there.

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Its not only resting Partey that irks me, it how its clear that no matter how shit some people play, Arteta will always prefer them and play them longer than he needs to. I mean why the hell does he have to wait to the 75th to 80th min to remove players that are clearly not up to it on the day.

For example, Trossard has started a few games this season, and I've noticed any game he starts where he doesn't have an effect within like 30 mins...he won't get a 2nd half. However, Saka, Odegaard, Martnelli and somewhat Jesus can be playing as shit as they want to, but as long as they start the game they get a minimum of 75 mins to find their level. He even use to include Havertz in that circle of the "chosen", giving them all the trust and time in the world to raise their game .

But if Eddie, Trossard, Viera or anyone else starts a game badly their off without a second thought. If I as a fan can see he has favourites, how do we expect the players to feel. I've not even brought the Raya and Ramsdale example because its so glaring and pitiful!

He needs to stop pretending like he's being fair to players and should just admit to us that we all need to key in to his first 11 and go on our knees praying they have a good season or we get royally f**ked!

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Its not only resting Partey that irks me, it how its clear that no matter how shit some people play, Arteta will always prefer them and play them longer than he needs to. I mean why the hell does he have to wait to the 75th to 80th min to remove players that are clearly not up to it on the day.

For example, Trossard has started a few games this season, and I've noticed any game he starts where he doesn't have an effect within like 30 mins...he won't get a 2nd half. However, Saka, Odegaard, Martnelli and somewhat Jesus can be playing as shit as they want to, but as long as they start the game they get a minimum of 75 mins to find their level. He even use to include Havertz in that circle of the "chosen", giving them all the trust and time in the world to raise their game .

But if Eddie, Trossard, Viera or anyone else starts a game badly their off without a second thought. If I as a fan can see he has favourites, how do we expect the players to feel. I've not even brought the Raya and Ramsdale example because its so glaring and pitiful!

He needs to stop pretending like he's being fair to players and should just admit to us that we all need to key in to his first 11 and go on our knees praying they have a good season or we get royally f**ked!

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Its not only resting Partey that irks me, it how its clear that no matter how shit some people play, Arteta will always prefer them and play them longer than he needs to. I mean why the hell does he have to wait to the 75th to 80th min to remove players that are clearly not up to it on the day.

For example, Trossard has started a few games this season, and I've noticed any game he starts where he doesn't have an effect within like 30 mins...he won't get a 2nd half. However, Saka, Odegaard, Martnelli and somewhat Jesus can be playing as shit as they want to, but as long as they start the game they get a minimum of 75 mins to find their level. He even use to include Havertz in that circle of the "chosen", giving them all the trust and time in the world to raise their game .

But if Eddie, Trossard, Viera or anyone else starts a game badly their off without a second thought. If I as a fan can see he has favourites, how do we expect the players to feel. I've not even brought the Raya and Ramsdale example because its so glaring and pitiful!

He needs to stop pretending like he's being fair to players and should just admit to us that we all need to key in to his first 11 and go on our knees praying they have a good season or we get royally f**ked!

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Ultimately whilst I agree that he should rotate more and that these players you’ve mentioned don’t get pulled no matter what, I’d also argue that Jesus aside they are clearly the best players and should be the first teamers (by that I mean Saka, Martinelli and Odegaard).

So if he regards them as favourites it’s because they are probably the three best players in the team. But even then that comes with the caveat that Martinelli and Odegaard were pulled second half.

Saka I think it comes down to the fact as I said that there is no one else who can really play on the right…maybe as you said we should have gone for someone like Kudus instead of Havertz.

I know you don’t especially rate Odegaard but he is the best player in that no10 position and he’s the captain. So nine times out of ten I’d expect him to be playing over Vieira or Havertz

I also think Martinelli is just overall a better player than Trossard

However do I think players like Trossard should get more game time…yeah absolutely. Would love to see him start more games and stay on. Don’t really give a fuck whether Eddie starts or not, he had a good few opening games to the season but since then him and Jesus have been equally hopeless. Jesus annoys me because everything he did well once like sucking defenders in and making a general nuisance of himself even when he wasn’t scoring just isn’t there since he came back from that three month injury. At this point I’d rather give Havertz a go up front

Smith Rowe? I’d rather us sell him.


So I guess it comes down to, should we mix up the team more yeah absolutely. If we are playing our strongest XI in a game like today that should include Martinelli, Odegaard and Saka imo

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Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE

Its not only resting Partey that irks me, it how its clear that no matter how shit some people play, Arteta will always prefer them and play them longer than he needs to. I mean why the hell does he have to wait to the 75th to 80th min to remove players that are clearly not up to it on the day.

For example, Trossard has started a few games this season, and I've noticed any game he starts where he doesn't have an effect within like 30 mins...he won't get a 2nd half. However, Saka, Odegaard, Martnelli and somewhat Jesus can be playing as shit as they want to, but as long as they start the game they get a minimum of 75 mins to find their level. He even use to include Havertz in that circle of the "chosen", giving them all the trust and time in the world to raise their game .

But if Eddie, Trossard, Viera or anyone else starts a game badly their off without a second thought. If I as a fan can see he has favourites, how do we expect the players to feel. I've not even brought the Raya and Ramsdale example because its so glaring and pitiful!

He needs to stop pretending like he's being fair to players and should just admit to us that we all need to key in to his first 11 and go on our knees praying they have a good season or we get royally f**ked!

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Solid posting this.

Jesus, White, Zinchenko, Saka and Jorginho are fuckin shit and should be nowhere near the team. I can understand Jesus holding a position because Eddie is probably overall worse but the rest are very replaceable with other squad members, even if it requires a bit of a reshuffle.