thank god that's over - a chance to see young players wasted, what a joyless funless bucketload of misery Arteta is
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thank god that's over - a chance to see young players wasted, what a joyless funless bucketload of misery Arteta is
2-2 FT, Sterling booked and unavailable for the first leg of 1/4 final. Didn’t actually play terribly tonight
Ultimately I’m not going to get het up about two young lads who in all likelihood will be playing championship/league one football in a few years not getting their chance for us. If they were good enough to be of some benefit to us beyond a rubber stamp game like this, I’m sure they’d be getting minutes
In our search for a new striker next season Arteta will sign a 23 y/o defender who once scored 10 goals playing as a forward when he was 5 so can do so for us :sarcy:
You would have probably said the same about Biereth, who was with us for 3 years and never played a game despite having impressive loan spells and rave reviews. Since we sold him last summer he's scored 21 goals in 23 appearances across two title chasing clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
We're yet to hear the last of our cock up with him as I expect he'll be in the EPL soon, probably after making his international debut for England or Denmark.... definitely would have made more sense to have at least tried him before getting rid at such a ridiculous price, even Sturm Graz (that made a crazy profit in only 6 months) are regretting as they've started losing games now.... but I'm guessing Arteta wants the fans to continually throw hissy fits like we did with Saliba before he'll consistently give our youngsters a fair chance.
Or Donyell Malen who didn’t make it for us but ended up with Dortmund and now…..Aston Villa
Balogun scored a load of goals for Rennes in his loan season, not been anywhere near as impressive as we sold him to Monaco
Plus clubs do this. Andy Cole was just a tea leaf with us, but at Newcastle and United he was a top goalscorer
Chelsea I’m sure regret selling De Bruyne, Man United had to pay silly money to get Pogba back
Mika Biereth might come good, he might also just be having a good season (yes I know he’s done ok on loan but that’s in Scotland and Austria) and it might come to nothing more like Niklas Bendtner mark 2
Yes good shout on Saliba, we musn't forget Arteta thought he 'wasn't ready' just one season before he came back here and immediately established himself as one of the best CBs in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE
And even if we don't want to keep them, doesn't CL playing time increase the value of a player?
And lastly bringing on people like Ode when we're 6 goals up ahead of younger players seems dumb, if they pick up an injury it sets us back once again.
I'm really glad I sold my ticket for last night, I'd only have gone to see the younger players so I'd have been (even more) effing fuming if I had
The thing is, the way I look at it. If either Kaba or the other one came on, I’d be absolutely fine with it…even if they have no future ultimately at the club. To the point where it does seem somewhat churlish that we don’t, but I honestly am not understanding why it gets anyone that animated. Is it because we are lacking goals and hoping against hope that these guys can step up and perform?
I mean yeah it’s certainly possible but I tend to think Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelly would have got their shot this season regardless of injuries (maybe not as much time as they’ve had but still). I don’t think these other guys would have featured even from the bench unless it was a league cup game
End of the day, we’ve seen with multiple other players, if Arteta doesn’t rate you, he doesn’t rate you. I certainly have big issues with his transfer policies as well as his selection policies. But out of all the things to be angry about, doesn’t really register for me I’m afraid
Then again I was chided on here (and kicked off another place) for being non plussed about spending so much on Calafiori when we needed a striker, so different things animate different people. Frankly it feels on here that a lot of people on here seem as angry now as I was say three months ago. Now i am far more in a it is what it is state of mind.
I think we needed a striker in January before Jesus got injured let alone before Havertz (not saying anyone here disagreed with that by the way). But i think im more in the moved on/acceptance stage of grief :lol:
When fans dispute the manager's opinion of players I always think "the manager does get to see the player in training for hours every single day".Quote:
Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Which doesn't make the fans' view irrelevant or even wrong but the managers do have access to a lot more data to base their decisions and opinions on.
The problem there being that this particular manager said Saliba wasn't ready when clearly he was, only brought in Saka due to others being unavailable and didn't rush to play Nwaneri even when Ode was injured and we desperately needed some extra quality in the attackQuote:
Originally Posted by Letters
So I don't trust what he personally sees in training tbh
I do get that this may not be a big deal to some btw, but for me I really enjoy seeing young players come through and to see what they can do in match conditions, given last night was a dead rubber it was the only thing that held any interest for me tbh, hence my disappointment
Also I think it speaks to the bigger point about how overly cautious Arteta is, to the point where it works against him, because he overworks some players and doesn't give others any opportunity to improve, gain experience and show what they can do