Wenger Out?

Vela has been pretty good for Real Sociedad tbf.

Arshavin thinks he's coming back. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Its not a few games though is it, its the cyclical nature of our team and how they perform. Even bringing in all this experience hasn't stopped it.

Start slow...get real good...be shit for a while...good...really good...really really really shit....better....best.....die at the end.

Its been the same season after season for the last 5 years ffs. We always have shit loads of injuries, always get buried in awful PR propaganda from the club and always suffer the same bullshit from Wenger and Gazidis and nothing really changes, we still flatter to deceive that we are a good side and then just when you have a smile on your face and a spring in your step up pop Hull or WBA to beat us at home.

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That's how I feel about the situation. This team is unpredictable and would much rather wait to see what happens at the end of the season and in the summer. The team looks good at the moment and it would be great I'd they player like this all season, but we have to get there first and then deal with the summer transfer saga as well.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

You will be ok when all that great young English talent comes good

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Next year is our year :trophy:

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Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss

Next year is our year :trophy:

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If i could post pictures i would put up that scouse model of diminishing returns i love so much

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Originally Posted by Suarez Is Boss

Next year is our year :trophy:

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Maccy :bow:

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Ah but next season will be different.

This isn't about us.:angry:

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Its a good post mate but i still sense fragility within the unit and I know, I just know, we are a harsh loss away from falling apart again. We have "easy" games coming up but a limp draw and the a loss will see the daggers come out again.

The point about the signings is a good one, perhaps the period we have been shit for is the time it has taken them to settle in, i think Kos and in particular Arteta are fantastic players not just in ability and attitude but also in the shifts they put in to help their team mates. When the player of the year awards come out its only ever going to be RvP but i think those 2 have made this come back possible.

I can dream we will overtake those lilly-white lilly livered upstarts from up the road but I do fear we are still an eggshell club at best. We also still cant defend and while set pieces seem to have improved we are clueless, embarrassingly clueless from throw-ins.

A few things still need polishing I just hope this particular turd isn't too brown already.

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Point taken mate - and I agree that there's still a ways to go before we can start toasting the manager again. But IMO the last few games have given us more reason to hope. For me, there have been 2 differences to our earlier purple patch. First - we look more balanced as a team - and are creating more opportunities going forwards. Rosicky in particular looks more convincing than Ramsey in giving us drive, and we look like we have 2 wingers at last. Our 1st 11 looks as though it knows what each other are doing and we look like we have a plan. Remember - the teams we have beaten are no also-rans. Second - the team is playing for each other - and its plain to see the spirit and togetherness. This was not so apparent earlier on.

In short - its not just the results, but the way we are playing that looks different. Yes, we have had false dawns before and we will inevitably have a poor result or two - but so will all the top teams. For now, the team and our manager have earnt a little more faith from me.

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Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

i say this every fucking year but im saying it again.

ONE MORE SUMMER.

thats all he's got.

if he makes the same mistakes again, and does not sign up RVP, then i promise you that is it for me.

and the same goes for the board.

if we cannot keep RVP and offer him what he wants then its the start of the demise for the club. we can all clearly see that he is the best striker in the world and completely carried us into 4th/potential 3rd. what else do the board need a player to do for them to be persuaded to offer him a bloody big contract?

he's no nasri. no cesc. he hasn't stated he's got a boyhood club nor seems interested by solely money.

he is a complete role model and gentleman.

if we keep crap like squillaci, chamakh, arshavin and dont replace them, or use the 'we will not sign experience because the kids need to grow' then thats it for me.

we are darn well fortunate we have rvp otherwise we'd be mid-table. they took a massive chance by not signing a decent striker last summer/january but luck will eventually run out. it only takes an injury to rvp and we're done.

and if we arent equipped for it, my tide will firmly be against wenger.

we need to BUILD year on year, not have summers that set us back 3 years. so build on this year FFS.

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I agree with your sentiment, but just want to temper this view about RVP. Yes, he's a genius, and yes, the lack of backup could come home to bite us. But he is a lone striker in an attack-minded team that is set up for him. He is bound to score lots of goals. While he is fit, any manager would want to play him as much as possible. Few of the top teams have genuine strength in depth in terms of 'guaranteed' strikers, if you exclude Citeh.

You could turn the situation round and say how effective our system is built around our striker. Yes, we are running a risk relying on robin, but we are half way through March and only have 10 games left for him to keep fit for. If the gamble pays off, it will be churlish to use this as a stick to beat Wenger with.

Come on fellow Gooners, stop commisserating and admit that AW has lost it. He has become more of a PR manager with his apologist-like tendencies in recent years. Time we stop buying the horse manure he and other club officials are selling.

Season after season our aim gets lower. Infact, this season is definitely the worst as every other season we'd at least be title contenders till we implode on the last lap and drop to 3rd or 4th. Now it is other way around where we grapling to catch up and/or maintain a CL spot.

We were only winning under Wenger when France was the powerhouse of world football. Since their fall off, we've followed suit - how coincidental.

^ What crap. Wenger created most of those great world cup winning players himself.

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Originally Posted by Dog Toffee

^ What crap. Wenger created most of those great world cup winning players himself.

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continue deluding yourself

hope you are just as optimistic next season when we lose RVP and somehow fight off relegation....tell us then just how good a manager AW is

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

We were only winning under Wenger when France was the powerhouse of world football. Since their fall off, we've followed suit - how coincidental.

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We seem to be winning quite a bit at the moment and France still suck ass so I am not sure where you are going with that point. Is this some racist thing against French people?

That's it isn't it, in a desperate attempt to fit in with the English and their round football nonsense you are mirroring their natural contempt for the French, you will be calling them frogs next or Sheep-burners. People like you make me sick, and i don't just mean Americans, i mean those who adopt the prejudices of others simply to fit in.

So jog on racist boy and return to you moms and pops, apple pie eating, Sioux burning, sister raping non Empirical empire in the west with your shotgun and your banjo.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

We seem to be winning quite a bit at the moment and France still suck ass so I am not sure where you are going with that point. Is this some racist thing against French people?

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you are misinterpreting the context in which i use the word 'winning' sir

i won't justify the rest of your post with a response

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

you are misinterpreting the context in which i use the word 'winning' sir

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Yeah whatever, save it for the judge Forrest

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Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm

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He did you know. He moulded them from clay.

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Originally Posted by Dog Toffee

He did you know. He moulded them from clay.

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i'm sure he did, especially based on the messianic status he has somehow carved out at the club

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Originally Posted by ItsMe

Not in the same way as it is when we're trying to win something no, against Spurs they were expected to win...at 2-0 down we had nothing to lose and yes we showed great fight but in reality it was from a no pressure situation.

Yesterday's result was great in the end, but I don't think we were under great pressure, 4th place is the goal not 3rd.

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you couldnt be more wrong in that statement. how is a game against your rivals a no pressure situation and also given the anger at the manager and team at that point, it was a massive high pressure game. going 2-0 down at home to your most hated rivals the pressure became more intense. they responded

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

hope you are just as optimistic next season when we lose RVP and somehow fight off relegation....tell us then just how good a manager AW is

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People have been saying that for years and every year Wenger has delivered a top 4 finish. Even this season it's on despite an awful start and a slump a month or so ago. Yes, we've been kept up there by RvP but Wenger bought and stuck with RvP through all his injuries.
We have failed to win trophies and that is damning but year on year people have said we're in decline, will slide into mid-table, etc, etc.
We never have. Not even this year.

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Originally Posted by ollie the optimist

you couldnt be more wrong in that statement. how is a game against your rivals a no pressure situation and also given the anger at the manager and team at that point, it was a massive high pressure game. going 2-0 down at home to your most hated rivals the pressure became more intense. they responded

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Ollie!
If we'd lost then it would have been us bottling it and crumbling under pressure.
But we won so obviously there wasn't any.
Next time we lose it'll be us bottling it. Till then there's no pressure on any game.

Actually thinking about it, we stuck with RvP and he has turned out to be awesome, we have stuck with Rosicky through his injuries and he is awesome...

Diaby :bow:

Also that Josh is a card eh? He reminds me of that Joker fellow.

A new member is a new member. Even if it is just for an existing member to send abusive PMs

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Also that Josh is a card eh? He reminds me of that Joker fellow.

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One of many.

I was thinking Joker as well. :lol:

Didn't want to stir the pot though..

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Originally Posted by Letters

People have been saying that for years and every year Wenger has delivered a top 4 finish. Even this season it's on despite an awful start and a slump a month or so ago. Yes, we've been kept up there by RvP but Wenger bought and stuck with RvP through all his injuries.
We have failed to win trophies and that is damning but year on year people have said we're in decline, will slide into mid-table, etc, etc.
We never have. Not even this year.

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And here's to hoping mid table or lower is never realised.

Wenger is still spent though, I personally don't see us winning anything under him anymore. I think the difference between him and SAF is that whilst he'll accept and pat the lads across the shoulders after delivering piss poor performances, SAF won't hesitate to get his shoes stuck up his players butts and let them know he aint afraid to send them packing no matter how talented they might be.

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Originally Posted by Flavs

Also that Josh is a card eh? He reminds me of that Joker fellow.

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Say whatever you like, but if more of you were like me and demanded more of AW and the squad instead of accepting excuses after excuses, I'm pretty certain we wouldn't all be here bemoaning out empty trophy cabinet.

Ps I might be new to Goonersweb, but rest assured I'm in no way new to forums so feel free to throw the cards pal(s). Also I think I might have been a gooner whilst some of ya'll were still in diapers.

You may be right and I agree Wenger has been way too patient with under-performing players although a couple of times recently he has been more openly critical - particularly of our display in Milan.

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Nice one

Josh is not the same poster as me, if the mods are suspicious just compare our IP Addresses.

The simple fact is some people are getting excited based on a run of 5 wins in a 2 month period. This is the shortest of short term trends, and using this to claim that we've turned the corner is naive.

The sceptical fans are criticising Wenger based on the pattern that has been followed over the last 7 YEARS. Even in past seasons we've had these purple patches (remember us beating Man Utd and Chelsea in 08-09 in November, despite that season being hugely disappointing)

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

I might be new to Goonersweb, but rest assured I'm in no way new to forums so feel free to throw the cards pal(s). Also I think I might have been a gooner whilst some of ya'll were still in diapers.

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Sorry i don't speak Americanonian


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Originally Posted by Flavs

Sorry i don't speak Americanonian


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Good for u, now on with ur Wenger 'arse' sucking pal

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Originally Posted by JoshGooner

Say whatever you like, but if more of you were like me and demanded more of AW and the squad instead of accepting excuses after excuses, I'm pretty certain we wouldn't all be here bemoaning out empty trophy cabinet.

Ps I might be new to Goonersweb, but rest assured I'm in no way new to forums so feel free to throw the cards pal(s). Also I think I might have been a gooner whilst some of ya'll were still in diapers.

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Why do you keep quoting my same post :unsure:

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Originally Posted by LDG

It reminds me of the old crowd at highbury when we were playing shit, and had our backs against the wall. We'd just come out fighting, and it great to see from fans and players alike.

If there is one thing I could say to this team right now, it's "never forget this period. Never forget just how much wanting to win at all costs bears fruit and gets the fans on your side. If you want to win anything, ever, you can never be complacent, and 100% is the only way".

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Originally Posted by Letters

Ollie!
If we'd lost then it would have been us bottling it and crumbling under pressure.
But we won so obviously there wasn't any.
Next time we lose it'll be us bottling it. Till then there's no pressure on any game.

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Absolutely. I don't really understand it because the same people claim that the club believe 4th is our trophy and our target. So if we're competing in key games to make that target, surely there would be more pressure?

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Originally Posted by Joker

Josh is not the same poster as me, if the mods are suspicious just compare our IP Addresses.

The simple fact is some people are getting excited based on a run of 5 wins in a 2 month period. This is the shortest of short term trends, and using this to claim that we've turned the corner is naive.

The sceptical fans are criticising Wenger based on the pattern that has been followed over the last 7 YEARS. Even in past seasons we've had these purple patches (remember us beating Man Utd and Chelsea in 08-09 in November, despite that season being hugely disappointing)

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you are playing quite badly away from home - that defeat to swansea hasn't helped.

tevez should be back soon, so plenty to be excited about

Sorry about the quoting sir, effects of posting from a blackberry

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Originally Posted by Letters

I don't remember him ever saying that.



Well, no we weren't. We were 7th after 3 months, 3 points off of 3rd place (that was on 19th November, just over 3 months in). We were low down very early in the season after our car crash of a start but so what? Surely it matters where you finish, not where you are after 5 games or whatever.

The rest of your post makes some sense (apart from the bit about writing off 6 points to Utd, before this season they'd done the double over us 2 years ago but that's the only time I could see for a long time, we beat them at the tail end of last season). Are there better managers out there? Well yes, there probably are. But I don't think there are that many and unless we pick a new manager very carefully I'd say there's a good chance we'll get worse after Wenger, not better.

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So Wenger not mouthing the exact words i said means he never said he believes this team will make progress in the near future. Are we in a court of law here?. I suppose contrary to what I have said, Wenger has actually promised us that next year will be worse or just as bad as this. Sheesh!. You Wenger apologists simply wont hear anything against him and in his defence you resort to nitpicking words and nuances. So we were never 15th this season at a time when Manu were already in the top 5. How are you going to finish first when you habitually give more than capable opposition a 10 point head start. I suppose wonderful Wenger can probably climb Everest with one hand and no rope While Fergie straps on the GPS laden equipment.

I can see that us fans are split in 2 distinct groups. 1 who think we are basically punching above our weight and great things should actually be beyond us and those who think footie is played on the park with equal number of players and a capable set of people working in the background. It is disingenious to think what we say on thees boards is irrelevant. it probably is, since disgruntled fans have existed long before the internet. it however does not make it less salient the way the game makes each and everyone of us feel.

This team, this club has deficiencies, this is an incontrovertible fact. In 99.9% of other clubs, the manager is where the correction begins. The only question which is what the poll asks is if we want to start with this change or not.

no need to be so rude.

it's only the internet after all and i'm only trying to helpfully guide you toward the right messageboard for the team you support.

can't a guy get a break around here?

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Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz

no need to be so rude.

it's only the internet and i'm only trying to helpfully guide you toward the right messageboard for the team you support.

can't a guy get a break around here?

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You're not being funny or clever, so kindly STFU. I've been posting on Goonersweb for 6 years, it'd be quite an elaborate hoax to keep up for that amount of time wouldn't it?