So we make one of our best signings (on paper) in recent memory and Wenger's involvment is limited?
The board. :bow:
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So we make one of our best signings (on paper) in recent memory and Wenger's involvment is limited?
The board. :bow:
Dont blame the board for not sending Wenger.
Lets buy the player first before infecting him with Wengeritis
Its Ivan who does the deals for us, well he has been since he came in, he did the Cesc deal and got the buu back clause etc. Seems AW just tells em who he wants etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
And rigtly so i don't think managers should be that much involed in transfer dealings. We should do like the spainsh lot do, leave it to the director for footie or in our case cheif exc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
i read an article about this early on in the season - i can't remember the guys name but there is a 'chief' negotiator who is apparently not a fave with some agents, being a bit of a tough nut to crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann
edit: his name is dick law. make of the name what you will...
Except for Harry, his delightful ducking and diving, wheeler dealing would be sorely missed, and I'm sure he'd miss the back-handers too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...e-1823046.html
More on Richard 'Dick' Law
He hasn't been in this role that long and we're probably staring to see more of his influence. He was a scout for us and not just a pen pusher so he knows what players are around and who we should sign. He doesn't have ultimate power, the article suggest more of a consultancy role and I doubt Wenger would allow a guy to have so much power over him. It wouldn't be right for that to happen either. But now that project youth is coming to the end of it's cycle, it's funny how we're suddenly able to identify and sign 'super quality' players.Quote:
The director of football role that has remained unoccupied at Arsenal since the abrupt departure of David Dein two years ago has now unofficially been filled in part by an American who once scouted for the club in South America.
Dick Law, who helped bring Gilberto Silva and Carlos Vela to Arsenal, has become the club's fixer on transfer deals and the re-negotiation of contracts for existing players. That was a key part of the job done by Dein before he was forced out by a boardroom putsch in April 2007 and Arsène Wenger has always been against bringing in a high-profile name to fill the role.
Under new chief executive Ivan Gazidis, Law, with Wenger's blessing, has become a more central figure at the club. He was previously Arsenal's scout in South America and, subsequently North America and helped to establish Wenger's network of scouts there. He is understood to be in London for two weeks per month and players seeking to open talks on new deals are being directed towards him.
The club are adamant that Law is not to be regarded as a director of football and that he is only a consultant to the club rather than a full-time employee. Law, a Fifa-licensed agent, has an office at the training ground and his main responsibilities are strategy, contract negotiations, administration and planning.
There is no question of Law influencing Wenger's transfer decisions or putting pressure on the Arsenal manager to buy certain players. The club are very eager that his role is not confused with the much more influential job Frank Arnesen did at Chelsea and Damien Comolli once performed at Tottenham.
Law is close to Wenger's chief scout Steve Rowley, who is a long-serving ally of the Arsenal manager and has played a key role in the transfer coups for players such as Theo Walcott and Aaron Ramsey. Another of Law's projects is understood to be the establishing of feeder clubs for Arsenal around the world that would allow them access to the best young players.
Law had connections with Dein before he became more involved in working with the club. Law's name came up when Arsenal were obliged to defend their conduct in the High Court in 2005 over Gilberto Silva's transfer from Atletico Mineiro three years previously. They were accused by the player's then-agent of bypassing him in the deal. Arsenal were cleared of any wrongdoing.
It is anticipated that Law will be given the job of taking care of contracts for all players from the academy to the senior team. The club hope that the addition of Law to oversee contracts will mean there is less chance of the young teams that Wenger has built over the last three years being picked off by other clubs. They announced that Eduardo da Silva had signed a new deal yesterday – understood to be four years, although for reasons known only to themselves Arsenal never disclose the lengths of player contracts.
The Croatian striker was still on the original contract that he signed in the summer of 2007 when he joined from Dynamo Zagreb. His long-term injury, sustained in February 2008, meant that he had not negotiated a new deal and both sides agreed to wait until his return. The latest contract should put him up with the £40,000-£50,000-a-week earners.
There had been suggestions in the last two weeks that Rafael Benitez was interested in making an offer for Eduardo in January although it would appear that the contract talks were well-advanced by then. Wenger said: "We have seen in his comeback from injury, Eduardo is a human being full of courage, bravery and commitment. His full recovery from this injury is a testament to his character."
There was some good news on the injury front for Wenger yesterday when it was discovered that Kieran Gibbs did not break his ankle playing for England Under-21s against Lithuania on Tuesday night. The 20-year-old was forced to come off in the 21st minute of the match and it was feared that he might be yet another casualty from international week after Robin van Persie ruptured his ankle ligaments playing for the Netherlands.
Gibbs will miss Saturday's game away at Sunderland. He will be fit to play against Standard Liège next week but given that Arsenal only need a single point from their two remaining Champions League games to qualify it is likely that he will be rested with a view to him being ready for the Chelsea match on 29 November. First-choice left-back Gaël Clichy is out until next month with a back problem.
Just like Mertsesaker, Poldolski was available for a relatively low fee before his move away from Munich and we didn't go for him. Maybe now that we're seeing so many young players we had hopes for fall off the radar, we can finally get back to business. After we the Man U mauling, it didn't take long for us to identify players who could step in. We have scouts all over the globe so I've never bought the story that nobody of any real quality has been available. Maybe it's sign that the clear out has finally started and we're done with this project youth nonsense.
That was what 10/12 years ago, and two players(since he didn't buy Dennis) doesn't make a trend. And He knew Henry from his youth daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Flavs
Players rarely change, they are what they are, nothing expecting, waste of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
And i hope Podolski doesnt change.
Hes been excellent for the most part.
I wont let a bad time at one club when he was a kid years ago make my mind up on how he is now seeing as hes scored plenty since then for club and country
An excellent buy
i don't know what you are talking about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
Yeah that's pretty common.Quote:
Originally Posted by Young Guns 11
Manager identifies the player, other people will do the negotiations.
Oh fair, guess I misread the convo, thought Charlie was saying that managers shouldn't really be involved at all :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Yep this is what i meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm
Yeah DB10 was Brucie's signing but Bruce was Wengers stopgap!Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
Wenger had to see a year out with Grampus before he could come over to Arsenal, I am positive thst Bruce Rioch was a temp (how much he knew I am unsure) but I am equally convinced that Bergkamp was brought in on Wengers advise.
For some reason Bergkamp never felt like the Rioch type of player but it made a whole lot of sense when we started to realise what direction Wenger was taking us.
(That has always been my opinion, feel free to shoot it down!)
Sound about right to me!
That's 100% right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
And the part about Henry is bullshit unless you are trying to say that AW picking up Henry from a faltering career at Juve and helping him become one of the greatest goalscorers evet and an absolute Gooner legend doesnt count because they knew it other in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
And didn't he also advise the board to sign Vieira before he offically took over.
:lol:
People will do anything to give Wenger credit, even for things when he wasnt here :lol:
In that case, i think Wenger should get credit for out 1989 title win as well. Apparently he was seen talking to Rioch who had a word with Thomas
Not even worth a response oops that was a response ;)
The Vieira one is correct but that was when the world knew he was going to become our manager.
Bergkamp was a Rioch signing. Everyone bar "Wenger can go no wrong" fans know that seeing as Bergkamp himself has said it
:haha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ach
Shocker from Ach - maybe he needs to get Wenger to help him out too
Not my first and wont be my lastQuote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
I meant Dein but had Rioch on the brain
Graham even?
To be honest, my opinion about DB10 is not based on some rose tinted love for Wenger more thats how I see things went down.
I firmly believe that AW was lined up before Riochs appointment and that Bruce was there to keep the seat warm. It would not surprise me that Wenger requested we look at Bergkamp and sign him if need be before anyone else did so that he was on board by yhe time Wenger took over
Of Course Wenger knowing Henry when he was Monaco had something to do with him buying him, why would it not. Course he obviously knew he had talent, and was being played in the wrong position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
Henry would've been a great player regardless. Like I said two signings in 14 years aint a trend. So Arseblog or whoever wrote that piece, got it wrong
Let me explain myself better, Podolski to me just strikes me as a player, who is soft, and doesn't have the will to fight. I was a fan of his, but his time at Bayern was bad. He didn't fight for spot on the team, he thought he was entitled to it because of what he did in 06, and sulked, instead of trying to earn his spot. I would've respected him more if would've went to a more successful club in Germany, and show his true worth. Except he didn't, he went back to a place where he was always going to be the only player that really mattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz
And to me those are characteristics of player of who is going to hide when things get tough, and cower under pressure. And people with those characteristics rarely change.
Plus Wenger knew Dein before he was appointed and could well have given Bregkamp's name as a tip, even if he did not get the Arsenal job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
But, whatever. People can bang on about Graham's defence and who chose Bergkamp, but the fact remains that until Wenger appeared we only won the odd trophy, but when he took over, we had the most successful period of the club. Granted the last few years have been disappointing, but had we not moved out of Highbury, would we have been any more successful? The old invincibles were all getting on so we can't say that we would have continued for that reason, not to mention Chavs getting a shit load of money and changing the balance of power from a 2-horse race (OK - 3 with RvN) to 3 and now, with Citeh, it is 4+.
While we might be pissed off with us being 2% short of buying the couple of players that might have tipped the balance, there is no doubt that Wenger made the Arsenal more successful by a big margin. Maybe Graham did build the defence but he did not take us to the next level, and Wenger did.
That seems a little bit unfair to me. When do Bayern Munich sell their players to the other top teams in Germany? Regardless of how he might have performed for Bayern Munich, he is still an international player that they would be foolish to sell to a direct rival. It's fair to say he would've wanted to go back to his comfort zone but there's nothing particularly wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
And clearly now he is ready to try again outside of his comfort zone. If the time does come where he needs to be sold, then he is an easy sell back to clubs in Germany.
RVP on Podolski and Germans in general:
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...-great-signingQuote:
“As we have seen with Per, German players tend to be very professional in how they live, train and perform – it’s something I like about them and another reason why this is a great signing for us," he said.
Professional :bow:.
Efficient :bow:.
Typical :bow:.
Germans :bow:.
Must Gets™ of the highest order.
Oh dearQuote:
New Arsenal striker Lukas Podolski was forced to conduct his farewell lap for Cologne with a riot police escort as his final game for the club was overshadowed by ugly scenes.
Full story: Metro
perhaps but bayern are more of a man united size team and we are not so i can't see why the expectations here would be too much for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobson's choice
let's not forget he went there as a young man and not every young guy is ready to take on the big shit straight away - i think it would be foolish to dismiss a guy that has turned up at big tournaments and has a very solid scoring record.
Not sure if iPod has got his own thread ....but I really do think we should be keeping him then including him in any package for Drax....I really want to see our squad grow in size for a change then our normal thread if offloading before bringing in new blood.....
I really don't think we would use him as a makeweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over
The shit rags are just following on from their made up story about there being tension or whatever, between him and Wenger from that video where Ox got subbed instead of him, and talking more shit about us using him to buy draxler.
Its bullshit.
Can't see him being around next season, I get the impression Wenger doesn't truly rate him or maybe they have some personality clash?
He pretty much never gets minutes.
Podolski rarely starts and Gnabry is preferred to him ATM for some bizarre reason. Don't get me wrong I like Gnabry, the boy has big potential...but I think it's unnecessary to keep playing him, he's still very much a work in progress.
I find this situation with Poldi really weird. Even if he is going to be let go in the summer, what's the point in barely using him? It's only lessening (our already becoming sparse options), unless we pull something out of the bag within a couple of days.
I think WUMger might be misjudging it too. The fans and players clearly really like him so something like this can have an adverse effect on everybody else.
He's a good finisher and should be playing more, just don't get why Wenger won't play him, we're not exactly full of goals up front and I personally don't think Giroud is enough of a goal threat up front.
I don't think he has the sort of movement Wenget likes in a striker, but he deserves better chances to prove himself than he's been given since he returned from injury.